Dream job doesn’t pay enough

[u/TheLonelyVastard]

had an interview for my local public library today to be the librarian over the children’s books. The actual interview went great! The directors seemed excited to meet me and impressed of my knowledge- for not having a BLIS degree, and I was confident in my abilities. I was excited and fell in love with the position!

Then I asked about pay and benefits.

Good- The city pays insurance and retirement, there’s a longevity bonus and a christmas stipend.

Bad- It’s only $13/hr, enough to juuuust cover all my bills and keep my dog and cat healthy. Not enough for savings, student loans, subscriptions (e.g. Netflix)

now I’m depressed because I currently make $20/hr at walmart and I want to leave so badly but I don’t want to just barely survive

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[u/Cocoluluu]

$13 is insulting.

[u/Fabulous_Drop_7918 → u/Cocoluluu]

It’s so sad especially in 2026?

[u/hekate--- → u/Fabulous_Drop_7918]

I made $13 hr as a library page. In 1998.

[u/Fabulous_Drop_7918 → u/hekate---]

In ‘98? 😳

[u/Fanfictionaddict13 → u/hekate---]

In 2008 they had $16/hr for library page at my local library. More if you had a degree. Maybe it's a part time children's section/ read aloud position? Or it's a small town/ city with a smaller budget

[u/Chocolateheartbreak → u/Fanfictionaddict13]

Likely a small town. Its at least 16-20 in well funded cities

[u/hungry4ass69 → u/hekate---]

i made $7.25/hr as a library page, in 2021 🥲

[u/Comprehensive_Fly983 → u/hungry4ass69]

Omg this is unacceptable. I can't believe pay at this rate happens legally anymore.

[u/hungry4ass69 → u/Comprehensive_Fly983]

yeah it’s insane!! i’m in pennsylvania which matches the federal minimum wage of $7.25, so local gov jobs and companies are happy to pay exactly that or slightly higher. i get $15/hr now but only because i work a union job

[u/Comprehensive_Fly983 → u/hungry4ass69]

Absolutely criminal!! We are not angry enough.😢

[u/lynzie_d → u/hungry4ass69]

minimum wage in PA is STILL $7.25?!?!? Omg I made that when I first started working at a movie rental store my senior year of high school… in 2010.

[u/SeonaidMacSaicais → u/hekate---]

I didn’t even make that as a page in 2004. 😂😂 Granted, small town and it was a high school gig. Minimum wage, yo.

[u/Cocoluluu → u/Fabulous_Drop_7918]

The Home Depot, Mcdonalds, Target, In-N-Out start at $22.

[u/puffpuffprotest → u/Cocoluluu]

Depends where you live. Where I’m at those pay more like $12-14.

[u/okCauliflowerTime → u/[deleted]]

I didn't realize American wages were even allowed to be that low! I'm Canadian (Ontario) and our minimum wage is almost $17!

[u/Known-Childhood-2759 → u/[deleted]]

$7.25 to be exact 😍 source: i live in texas

[u/throw_away173ue → u/[deleted]]

5 states with no set minimum wage but 20 total states that have $7.25 as the minimum wage.

[u/Maleficent-Wall-5399 → u/[deleted]]

HCOL places too like South Florida where you have California rents and Kentucky wages. It’s terrific 🙄🙄🙄

[u/Qwertyowl → u/Maleficent-Wall-5399]

Charleston chiming in 😂🤪🫪

[u/Fabulous_Drop_7918 → u/Cocoluluu]

Same I said in my head,it’s way too low
That’s some cheap labour

[u/Substantial_Coat_229 → u/Cocoluluu]

You live in a higher cost of living place than I do. These jobs start around $15-$16 where I am.

[u/casshewss → u/Fabulous_Drop_7918]

In my state (MS) the minimum wage is still somehow $7.25 /hr, whilst average price of a studio or one bed apartment in my hometown ranges from $1100-$1500 /mo. That's not including utilities or the fact many places require you to make double or even triple the rent. It feels inhumane 😭

[u/MyNameIsNot_Molly → u/Fabulous_Drop_7918]

That's less than minimum wage where I live

[u/AcanthisittaFull413 → u/Cocoluluu]

A box of cereal costs 6-8$ now. An hour of OPs time is worth two cereal boxes? Hell no

[u/kristing0 → u/Cocoluluu]

My 17 year old makes more than that at a fast food restaurant putting salad dressing on salads and croutons on soup.

[u/FlamingWeasel → u/Cocoluluu]

My son just started at Walmart in rural TN and makes 14. that's nuts.

[u/AlternativeBother247 → u/Cocoluluu]

Wait until you hear the minimum wage in places like GA, WY, AL, LA, MS, SC, TN, KS, KY, NC…I could go on, unfortunately :(

[u/cakenose → u/Cocoluluu]

I live in Texas. I have 5 years of professional administrative and clerical experience and it’s normal for me to see $10-15 an hour listings. I quite literally can’t break $18 an hour and it’s still not livable at all obviously. I have even seen a couple $8/hr positions and these are NOT bad roles. Receptionist work is consequential. They want consequential levels of responsibility but want to pay you basically piggy bank money. I’m a grown ass woman like

I’ve been here for two months and not only do these jobs pay $15 or $16 an hour, they all beg for bilingual as a strong preference and they make you do several rounds of interviews. I just did a final third phase of an interview for a professional office admin job at a therapists office and I have a third interview to go to on Monday. Both offer me a range of $16-18 based on experience. What’s insulting is thinking my responsibilities would be prestigious enough to warrant 3-5 interviews or a panel interview, but not prestigious enough to pay me more than $18/hr max

[u/jamebb → u/Cocoluluu]

Seriously. I made more than that 20 years ago as a high schooler.

[u/Gretchen_Wieners_ → u/Cocoluluu]

Right? It’s below minimum wage where I live. 

[u/Arctic_Dreams]

I remember when I was job hunting a couple years ago I saw a listing for a librarian. Required a masters in library sciences, was part time, and required 100% availability. $9 an hour.

[u/Financial_Sweet_689 → u/Arctic_Dreams]

Librarians, teachers, medical and pharmacy staff, the people who draw your blood…all disgustingly underpaid.

[u/Arctic_Dreams → u/Financial_Sweet_689]

The medical side is what really gets me.. for how much medical care costs, they should not be paid so little. Health Insurance's hand in the pot probably not helping.

[u/SweetElection157 → u/Arctic_Dreams]

It’s so expensive because of insurance. Insurance companies are for-profit so they charge as much as they can and cover as little as they can. They have agreements with providers and only reimburse them so much. And they providers have to take that money and use it for overhead costs, custodial staff, everyone involved and employed at the place, etc. Their goal is to make money for the shareholders. Some hospitals are also for-profit.

[u/Successful_Sun_6264 → u/SweetElection157]

When I first started as a nurse almost ten years ago, I worked overnight in the ICU. With shift differential and weekend bonus, I was making $25ish/hour. This was considered pretty good pay for a new grab, and I still couldn't afford the health insurance at and through the hospital I worked at :(

[u/theBRILLiant1 → u/Successful_Sun_6264]

Yup... started at $22 and change in 2015 in NC

[u/Sunfishgal → u/Arctic_Dreams]

So true on all counts. I’m a nurse currently job hunting as my own medical issues are making 13hr shifts where I average 5/6 miles & often can’t sit at all until 8ish hours in or get any lunch break unsustainable, & many of the listings I’ve seen & offers I’ve gotten are abysmal. I’m a RN w/ my MSN & the fact that there are jobs paying only $20-something an hour to do the work we do is mind-boggling.

[u/Emotional_You6670 → u/Sunfishgal]

A regular at the bar I used to work at had her doctorate in nursing but HATED bedside and blood, needles, bodily excretions, etc lol so she told me about all the other jobs you can do with a nursing degree and said one of her jobs was WFH interpreting medical records for attorneys to translate the medical terminology into layman terms for trial. I’m not sure how much she made doing that or really any helpful details, and it’s possible she did it as an independent contractor but I’m not sure. I feel like it might be something to consider if you weren’t already aware this is a thing. Personal injury and worker’s comp law is HUGE where I live so if your area is the same I could see it being pretty steady work that wouldn’t have the physical strain of bedside.

[u/ShiverbertMcCreeper → u/Financial_Sweet_689]

The people who draw your blood are called phlebotomists. My mom did that for twenty years ☺️

[u/Financial_Sweet_689 → u/ShiverbertMcCreeper]

Thank you, couldn’t for the life of me remember the name lol! I just remember working at a cannabis dispensary with a girl who told me she was getting paid $15/hour as a phlebotomist. I was upset for her. They’re so crucial in healthcare

[u/J4CKFRU17 → u/Financial_Sweet_689]

I'm trying to get my phlebotomy certificate and I was horrified to hear the lab professor at my local college tell me I would make less money as a phlebotomist than I currently do as a cashier :(

[u/lulubelle724 → u/J4CKFRU17]

My job contracts with a mobile phlebotomist; he goes to peoples’ homes to draw their blood and takes care of all the packing and shipping with FedEx. He is self-employed and charges $100 per hour of his time. Something to think about!

[u/Express-Day4580 → u/Financial_Sweet_689]

Throw in EMTs. It always shocks me how little they make when they are the first responders responsible for saving your life and getting you to the hospital.

[u/Financial_Sweet_689 → u/Express-Day4580]

I’ll gladly add EMTs. They were there for me to check me when my very abusive ex hurt me and they were so full of empathy.

[u/metallikitty818 → u/Financial_Sweet_689]

Paramedics also make very little money. My husband is a full time paramedic and a part time ER nurse, and he makes more as a new nurse (2 years experience) than as a paramedic with 25 years experience. The only reason he is not a full time nurse is because the insurance that the hospital offers is shitty and I have several health conditions.

[u/m48_apocalypse → u/Financial_Sweet_689]

oof the pharmacy part kinda hit home. i became a senior pharm tech when i was 20 and i quit at 22 when i realised (strategically) doordashing pays better, including when i factor in gas and maintenance costs. tbh i changed my whole career path from studying for a pharmD to pursuing toxicology and possibly automotive trades, bc one usually has paid training and the other doesn’t cost three kidneys and half a liver working until ur past 50 just to pay off the degree itself.

my starting pay as a trainee ($15) was lower than the starting pay of the mcdonald’s across the street ($16.50). this was in 2021. and everyone wonders why their meds are never ready lmao, in those 4yrs of hell i can count on one hand the number of shifts i’ve worked where the pharmacy was adequately staffed.

[u/Financial_Sweet_689 → u/[deleted]]

That’s awful. I’ve been in and out of the ER recently (and I’m having amnesia so forgive me if I already commented this here) and those nurses were taking care of me for the 12 hours I was there- bringing me food and drink, hooking me up to various machinery, giving me fluids, medication, sugar water when I needed it. Bringing me blankets and turning the lights off so I could sleep. Changing out my bin of vomit when I was out of it. Wheeling me to the bathroom because I couldn’t walk. Taking vials of my blood and talking me through it because I clearly don’t enjoy it. Giving me endless sympathy. And don’t get me started on the nurses who were trained for the SA kits. They were angels. I know this might differ from what they’re paid at an office but my god we are just not paying medical staff enough. They are holding humanity together. When I told them I escaped DV they immediately made sure I was safe and had resources. When I went to my regular doctor the nurse read my story from the ER, asked to hug me and cried with me. Sorry but I just don’t have enough kind words to say right now, they are truly the glue of society when we have no one and nothing.

[u/SuperPotterFan → u/Financial_Sweet_689]

Phlebotomists! That’s the name of who usually draws blood. My mom is one and the hospitals (at least hers) are ridiculously understaffed and pay so badly that they can’t attract new people to work there. There are times at my mom’s hospital, a rather large one, 5 floors, two buildings, etc. where there are only 2 phlebotomists in the building to draw EVERYONES blood. It is literally a shit show for her every day because she shows up and there’s 200+ draws that need to be done but it’s just two people. She works hard and tries her best, but it’s time consuming to follow all of the safety protocols and the phlebotomists can usually only get 15-30 people each shift. For how hard she works, and how physically demanding the job is (she ends up walking 15000+ steps a day getting to all the rooms and back to the lab) it’s ridiculously shit pay.

[u/notthetypetocare → u/Financial_Sweet_689]

CNAS are the ones underpaid, phlebotomists can make $30-$40 a hr. My aunt is one through an agency and makes $40 a hr. Her commute is a hr but hey

[u/EarlyInside45 → u/Arctic_Dreams]

Where? I work at a library, and it's $50 an hour for MLS librarians.

[u/Arctic_Dreams → u/EarlyInside45]

This was in a city in Dallas county, TX.

[u/Amazebeth → u/EarlyInside45]

It sounds like OP has her BA/S but not MLIS. So this would be a library assistant job, not a librarian. Still, pay is insanely low.

[u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

It's so sad that our society doesn't value teachers and librarians. I would have loved to be a teacher but I won't because of the pay.

[u/No_Brick_6579 → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

It’s by design. Why prioritize giving the poorer classes opportunities to learn and improve themselves? Two of my grandparents were teachers and before they retired, they commented on how intentional it seemed to discourage new educators and create more volatile environments

[u/dogtor_howl → u/No_Brick_6579]

It’s also gendered: When professions become “feminized” (when more women than men begin to do them), pay decreases. There are actually minutes from 19th-century school board meetings in which members discuss how they need to recruit more teachers and they should be women since they can totally do the work but for half the pay. Librarians are in the same boat.

[u/dogtor_howl → u/dogtor_howl]

Wow, looks like there were some comments that got moderated while I was away—must’ve gotten heated! For anyone who wants to read more about the feminization of various professions and how this affects pay, I’m happy to share some links. I’m a researcher/professor who studies issues of gender among teachers, so this is basically my favorite thing to talk about haha.

[u/roaremipsum → u/dogtor_howl]

Thank you for your service! Would be so down for your syllabus 🫡

[u/dogtor_howl → u/roaremipsum]

Yay! Happy to share some readings!

So, the bit about historically paying women less comes from School Committee minutes in Littleton, MA (1849). A committee member said:

“God seems to have made women peculiarly suited to guide and develop the infant mind, and it seems…very poor policy to pay a man 20 or 22 dollars a month, for teaching children the ABCs, when a female could do the work more successfully at one third of the price.” (p. 136)

You can read the fuller account in Hess’s (2010) book The same thing over and over again: How school reformers get stuck in yesterday’s ideas. For an overview of how wages change when women enter a profession, Harris’s (2022) analysis using a variety of U.S. Census data from 1960-2014 is a good place to start. Spoiler: Wages of men in feminized professions go down, too—patriarchy is bad for everyone, y’all!

To see how teacher pay specifically has changed just in recent decades, this report from the Economic Policy Institute (2025) is useful. It shows how teacher pay compares to other similarly educated and credentialed professionals (and it ain’t great).

And even among teachers (who, in public schools, are often paid according to a specific salary schedule based on experience and qualifications), there are gendered differences in pay. Some of these differences are due to opportunity costs (i.e., women engage in more childrearing, limiting their engagement in extra paid assignments), but there’s also evidence that the extracurricular that men participate in more (like coaching) are better compensated than those women participate in more. There is a greater discrepancy in extra pay favoring men in schools where there is a male principal. See Quintero et al. (2024) for a full discussion.

School librarians overlap with some of this info, of course, but there are persistent gendered differences among librarians in other contexts, too. Here’s a super brief overview from Maatta (2008) in Library Journal.

Hope this is interesting for you! And makes you angry and ready to fight for better pay! ☺️💪🏻

[u/BoisterousBard → u/dogtor_howl]

'Women do the work better than men, we could pay them the same, but we don't have to.' Oh the humanity.

Thanks for sharing. Down with the patriarchy!

[u/brope0623 → u/dogtor_howl]

I’ve literally never saved a comment on Reddit before. I’m in awe and honestly somewhat speechless. As a woman school administrator questioning my worth in society due to my painfully low salary compared to people with significantly less education credentials than myself, this has completely blown me away. I get it. People say “do what you love! You’re so good at it! So what if the pay is shit.” Or “I don’t do it for the money, I do it because I like to help people.” That would all be great if I could afford a mortgage, or better health care, or even purchasing healthier food or a gym membership. Sure, these are first world problems. I fully acknowledge my privilege there. But dammit when a male student graduates college with a bachelors and goes into finance right away and gets paid more than a far more qualified female trying to do the same thing (if she even gets offered the position), it’s not okay. I’m fired up. Thank you for this. Thank you for reminding me that forces engrained in our societal fabric are always going to be working against me. Always. Full stop.

[u/dogtor_howl → u/brope0623]

So happy I could share! And thank you for your work as an admin—having great admins made my whole world better when I was still teaching k-12.

All we can do is stay fired up and work to make things better for ourselves and our sisters coming after us!

[u/dogtor_howl → u/dogtor_howl]

u/PeaceLily86, see my comment above with links! If you’re already into this literature, these may be too intro—happy to chat more in-depth!

[u/roaremipsum → u/dogtor_howl]

Amazing — thank you! Absolutely, am in a constant state of questionably masked rage already 🤭

[u/BarbieJeepBeep → u/dogtor_howl]

I’m a former teacher and current public school counselor in a state where collective bargaining and unions are not allowed for educators. One thing that particularly bothers me outside of the obvious like pay is that we have no paid maternity leave. In a field dominated by women! My husband who works in sales gets 8 weeks of paternity leave. I get nothing outside of the 10 sick days we are allotted per year and then pay is docked after that. Blows my mind

[u/dogtor_howl → u/BarbieJeepBeep]

Yup! So your options are to save all your sick days if you plan to have babies and/or time it so you give birth in May so you at least get the summer with your infant. And since women in heterosexual relationships (even good ones!) still do way more of the childrearing, you’re probably going to need all your new sick days for your kid.

You bring up a good point, though: There are some states/school divisions that are much better to work in because of collective bargaining and state legislatures that value education more. There are still gendered issues at play, but things are much better in, say, New Jersey than in Alabama.

[u/Delicious-Slide1595 → u/BarbieJeepBeep]

10 days?!?!?!?! YOU SHOULDMT EVEN BE MOVING MUCH AT 10 DAYS Sorry this countries instance we all spread our legs and breed but zero maternity leave pisses me off

Like my sister had a C-Section and she still was habing issues wiping herself let alone caring for the baby WTF

[u/PeaceLily86 → u/dogtor_howl]

I would love some links on this! I'm familiar with some of the literature on this but would love to read more. I'm also a researcher/professor and have done some work on gender stereotypes and overall perceptions,, but lately I've been thinking about doing more work on this topic.

[u/vegetablefoood → u/PeaceLily86]

There’s a great podcast called “Diabolical Lies” and they did a recent episode (May 31, I believe) called “The Rise and Fall of the Girlboss” which touches on this as well. It’s a great listen.

[u/Expensive-Object-830 → u/vegetablefoood]

That was such an eye opening episode!

[u/pizzandvodka → u/dogtor_howl]

I love when smart folks have receipts 💕

[u/mrthescientist → u/dogtor_howl]

Hi, I'm interested. I've been thinking about this since I heard about the feminization of the practice of computing during the modern computation revolution. It occurs to me that women both began, developed, and established modern computing and also that once the field became prestigious that same industry took every pain to shed those workers. England's census records around employment & computers (the job/role) in the mid- to late-century are particularly illuminating because there's a distinct moment where computers and the then-related field of software development gains prestige as a profession and is soon considered a male dominated field and market.

[u/dogtor_howl → u/mrthescientist]

Yes! Computer science is a great example of how this works in reverse: more men = higher pay (but also an increase in gender discrimination for women trying to work and advance in the field).

[u/Wild_Pomegranate_845 → u/dogtor_howl]

We were flat out told that that’s why our insurance was so expensive when they raised the rates again as teachers. It was considered a second income for the household and since most teachers were women they had husbands who they could get insurance through. It would have cost more than half my paycheck to just including my daughter on my insurance.

[u/Fluffy_Frog → u/dogtor_howl]

Still accurate today. I’m a librarian with an MLIS, and when I moved into my position to replace a male who was moving on (and who also had fewer years of experience than I did), they offered me $12k less than he was making. It’s infuriating.

[u/dogtor_howl → u/Fluffy_Frog]

That’s enraging.

[u/Ok-Trainer3150 → u/dogtor_howl]

Always! It's hard to drive home this point (especially to students) that feminization of occupations has this reduced/poorer pay catch. Over the years, I've seen many students insist on training for childcare positions which they eventually find physically over- demanding and inadequatly remunerated. Worse, more education is increasingly demanded for work that was previously prepared for in community colleges or on site...for example, in hospital nursing programs. When people point to females studying in higher numbers than males in post-secondary, they neglect the fact that men can draw much higher wages in many fields without degrees.

[u/Kilyth → u/dogtor_howl]

Same with chefs. The reason that posh houses would have male chefs rather than female cooks wasn't because they were better, obviously, but because it was a flex that they could afford to pay more for a man to do the job.

[u/firef1y → u/No_Brick_6579]

My mom was a teacher for 30 years in America. Before that she was a college professor in another country. She would always talk about the disparity of respect and pay towards teacher in the U.S. vs other countries and how it seemed intentional. Like America didn’t want to educate its students.

[u/igotnothing1455 → u/No_Brick_6579]

I quit being a teacher because of this, we could t afford to keep up with bills with the cost of things going up. I’m a corporate trainer now. Similar but more soul sucking.

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

My mom just started as a teacher and I make more at Walmart than she does

[u/illeatyourkneecaps → u/TheLonelyVastard]

i'm in the same boat, i'm a special education paraprofessional in an elementary school, i love my kids and my job SO!!! much, but it barely pays the bills, and i'm living paycheck to paycheck. i was originally in college to become an elementary teacher, but wanted to try out the school district first, and seeing what my teachers go through for the abysmal pay turned me off from going back for my degree.

[u/Marowak_Maniac → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

Well that’s how they keep control. By decreasing teacher salary and education budgeting it increases the naivety of the general public leading to more susceptibility of political apathy and cynicism which encourages the cycle. It’s all a part of the system they’ve been laying out for what? The last 30-40 years? We are deep in this rabbit hole and unless people start stepping up and advocating for RAPID system rework, nothing will ever change.

[u/Both-Income1522 → u/Marowak_Maniac]

THIS

[u/djsquidnasty → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

Im a teacher and I make decent pay for my area, and the state/district have increased pay almost every year to attract and retain more. It all depends on the area you're in and the standard of living.

[u/Fast-Platypus-4684 → u/djsquidnasty]

Hard agree. My friend is a teacher and makes pretty good money in our area too. Granted she does have her Masters so she does get paid a bit more than average for that. She always talks about how nice it is to get paid enough to live and have the summers off too.

[u/djsquidnasty → u/Fast-Platypus-4684]

Same for me, I have 2 masters and 11 years under my belt so I do get paid a but more than average, but my state has increased the statewide starter pay to 55k, and it was 30k when I first started out.

[u/Rosa_612 → u/djsquidnasty]

I'm in a strong union and make a liveable salary as well, especially compared to most districts around me. There is a lot of community support too, which helps. I love my job and I am happy I can also have a voice in collective bargaining.

[u/RemoteIll5236 → u/djsquidnasty]

Yup--I'm a retired teacher. I retired with a pension thst pays 90% of my.highest salary. I get a 2% raise each year.

My small (7 schools) district pays about $62,000 a year to new teachers and about $120,000 a year to educactors with 24 years of experience.

I live in a MHCOL area in CA. It isn't a fortune, but it isn't $13.00 an hour.

[u/Savings-Simple8583 → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

I have an education degree. I have a heart for children. I ain’t about to struggle to pay my bills and be with people‘s kids more than they are with their kids. I’m just not. So I took my skills and I work in learning and development in corporate offices.

Since I was like 17, maybe younger, I’ve been asking my mom why would a basketball player make more money than a person that educates children? Educators do waaaaayyy more than teach.

[u/plaidyams → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

I’m about to start as a teacher making salary and it is…certainly more than OP listed working at walmart. Just saying there are schools that do pay.

[u/lesbipositive → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

I think society does value librarians. Idk she doesn't have her bachelors- I work for a public library and librarians need a masters degree. We start them at $24/hr. I have some librarians making close to $36 an hour, with 4 weeks of vacation and paid holidays and personal days and a pension. Dream jobs require the credentials needed.

[u/lip_gallagher1880 → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

i’ve decided not to take any job in a school because of the serious gun problems in the US

[u/lilyloverliar → u/Next_Gen_Valkyrie]

Teachers/school professionals can be paid a lot, it depends where you live. In my area, the unions are super strong, so there are pensions, health benefits after retirement, tenure, and guaranteed raises every year. Like I'll start my career at 60k and finish in 25 years at probably 140k a year.

[u/white-as-styrofoam]

$13/hour? pretty sure a box of cheerios costs $13 at this point, hard pass

that’s so sad though! i love libraries and we need good librarians.

[u/Ill-Squirrel-9418 → u/white-as-styrofoam]

>pretty sure a box of Cheerios cost $13 at this point

That line really made me laugh, and then cry.

[u/Aeirth_Belmont → u/Ill-Squirrel-9418]

Same. I'm not much of a cereal person myself but my SO does like it. We don't even look at that one. The price is crazy.

[u/Commercial-Crow4658 → u/white-as-styrofoam]

I tried to buy Rice Krispies a month ago to make Rice Krispie treats and was absolutely floored what they were charging. Off brand was like $6 and the name brand was like $8 for PUFFED RICE????

[u/Acceptable_Mark7716 → u/white-as-styrofoam]

I made $13 an hour in 1997 when I was like 17 years old! That kind of pay in the year of our lord 2026???

[u/golf-lip → u/white-as-styrofoam]

11.34 for cheerios and milk, not including sales tax. If you need lactose free milk, might as well kill yourself. I would not work 1 hour for cheerios and milk

[u/bananaslammock08 → u/white-as-styrofoam]

I’m a librarian (with my MLIS, which is industry standard in the US - I’m surprised this library was interviewing candidates for actual librarian positions without one) and the most I ever made was $22/hr. The “good” systems in my state might pay $25-29/hr if you have experience. I had amazing benefits and 5 weeks of vacation + almost another month annually of sick time but yeah… if you aren’t married to someone who makes decent money the job is impossible to live off of. I’m a single mom now and I had to leave libraries and go corporate (I do copyediting for a corporate marketing department now) because I had to make more money. 

[u/TheLonelyVastard]

Dinner: Bluebell icecream with magic shell

[u/Imposter_89 → u/TheLonelyVastard]

Can't you negotiate to at least $14 or $15? I know $14 is nothing, but they might be a little more open. Sorry, hun, 😞

[u/Vi0L3tCRZY → u/Imposter_89]

Even Whole Foods who take any warm body gives $15/hr to start

[u/Imposter_89 → u/Vi0L3tCRZY]

With Whole Food's prices, they should be able to give their employees more. What a sad, dystopian world we live in, 😞

[u/Falala-Surprise-90 → u/TheLonelyVastard]

I thought that was magic shell!!!!!

[u/mercyinreach]

$13 is way too low and more like the rate for a library clerk, not a librarian. I would talk to them and ask for $16 at the very least.

[u/EmergencyToastOrder → u/mercyinreach]

They don’t have a degree so I doubt this was for an actual librarian role

[u/jynxremoving → u/EmergencyToastOrder]

Smaller & rural libraries aren’t always requiring an MLIS anymore for librarian positions. She doesn’t even mention an MLIS in the post, she mentions a BLIS which I feel like is a less common bachelors the majority of librarians don’t have, so I expect that’s what the case is here.

[u/Readalie → u/jynxremoving]

It's not just rural areas—Detroit Public Library is a pretty prominent example of trying to replace a lot of their librarian positions with librarian-in-all-but-name ones where the degree isn't required so that they can pay staff less. And a lot of states don't require that librarians have MLIS degrees.

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/EmergencyToastOrder]

No 😅 it’s for a librarian- it’s a very small library- only one director and one librarian. I would have been over the children’s and young adults section. (1/3 of the library)

[u/jynxremoving → u/TheLonelyVastard]

OP, are you willing to move? If working in a library is really your dream job, & this wage is survivable for now it *could* be worth it to take it so you have library experience & then start applying in other places where the wage will be higher. What’s required in terms of Ed & what job responsibilities will look like is going to vary a lot by what municipality/system you’re in. My position currently is a library assistant, so it does not require the MLIS, but I do a lot of tasks similar to our librarians especially in terms of doing tons of programs which I love! I make roughly $30/hour & do have a pension & whatnot. Granted I’m on the west coast.

[u/Balancedbabe8 → u/jynxremoving]

How did you qualify for a job without the MLIS? I’m in Sacramento. I’ve looking into library sciences but it isn’t worth the energy investment since I have chronic illnesses and need to rest a lot.

[u/doofcat → u/Balancedbabe8]

It’s really up to the library what the qualifications and pay are. They sound like they are in a smaller town or at a smaller branch library.
I just finished my MLIS- nobody does it for the money, you do it for the love of the field.

[u/Amazebeth → u/Balancedbabe8]

In SF you apply and then take a civil service exam if you make the first cut. Look for “Library Assistant 1” postings.

[u/samui_penguin → u/mercyinreach]

Agreed. I remember making $12 an hour when I was a library page 10 years ago. If it’s a local government job, they may not be able to offer more because of predetermined payscales that factor in education level, and op may not have much leverage since it doesn’t sound like they have any library degree and the job wants at least a bachelors. But. It doesn’t hurt to ask. If it’s a small place and they really like her, they might try to make it work.

[u/EarlyInside45 → u/samui_penguin]

My son is a page (shelver) and makes $19.

[u/catforbrains]

Librarian here. Find something that pays the bills. It's insulting how badly this field pays and its more or less designed that way. Employers know they're getting people who have a love for the job and they exploit that. Just look up "vocational awe" and libraries and you will understand.

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/catforbrains]

That’sexactly what the library director that’s retiring was describing! she said it’s worth being broke to have such a wonderful job I was a bit startled by the poor pay.

[u/PossumJenkinsSoles → u/TheLonelyVastard]

It’s the same thing in my industry. You’re either poor or you have a spouse with a high paying job. I was pretty young when I got in so it was a startling realization looking around at all the nice cars people were driving and nice clothes and then putting together that their spouse makes the money and they do this passion project for pennies and here I am forgetting to implement the high paid spouse part.

[u/VictoryLongjumping70 → u/PossumJenkinsSoles]

This is so common in my field that I have a personal policy of never asking what my colleagues′ partners do for a living. I call it the ″corporate spouse″. My husband and I both forgot to implement that part unfortunately 🫠

[u/Old_Desk_1641 → u/PossumJenkinsSoles]

I see this with so many communications jobs as well (particularly ones in HCOL areas). Like, these employers fully know that they are either condemning someone to living in poverty OR privileging people who don't really need to work (come from wealth, have a partner who makes good money, etc.).

[u/edison_death_machine → u/TheLonelyVastard]

You don't want to work for anyone who would tell you that. Signed, a librarian

[u/picturesofu15448 → u/catforbrains]

Are you a public librarian? I’m a librarian too in public and feel burnt out and sad. I graduate with my MLIS this fall and while I do enjoy my work, I work two part time jobs and make $27 an hour (very HCOL state) I just don’t know where else to take my skills :(

[u/catforbrains → u/picturesofu15448]

Yep. Public librarian. I'm blessed to have one of the few normal paying jobs in the field but I still would be broke as a joke if I wasn't married. If you have more tech or archive skills I would look at taxonomy or Metadata roles. Records management too.

[u/agnes_copperfield → u/catforbrains]

This. The vocational awe has got to go with libraries.

I know many people who have the MLIS and were amazing public librarians who left for other fields- they couldn’t survive on the pay.

I’m a librarian and the breadwinner in my family, which only works because I work in law firms (do not have a JD).

OP, I’m happy to chat about the library world if you’re interested!

[u/caffinegirlgonemild]

i’m so sorry I totally get it.

Did you propose a counter offer? Did you say I was hoping for something more near 20?
And they could’ve come back and said we could do 16 or 17.

Could you take the job at 13 or 14?
Build of your résumé and leverage that in the future at another position, another library?

I had to do something similar to take a low paying job, but I turned it into a career and I did have to work a second job for a while.

I do not currently work a second job.

[u/nocasegrace → u/caffinegirlgonemild]

Second this. It can never hurt to ask. I would say always propose a counter offer if you think the job would be a good fit, but they don’t offer you what you need. You can call and say “hi I was offered a job and I’d like to propose a counter offer”. Take yourself as serious as the business!!! And if it doesn’t work out, try it somewhere else. Everybody’s gonna lowball, and if you never counter, you’ll never know what you could be getting paid!

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/nocasegrace]

I’ll try this if I get a second interview with the city manager!

$13/hour simply isn’t enough for me to be able to make my bills, take care of my dog and cats, and afford basic necessities for myself.

Even if I did use this as a stepping stone, I would have to take up a second job. One of the reasons I’m leaving walmart is because I have developed a chronic pain condition that will not heal in that environment. I need something a little slower pace with less standing/walking miles a day around the store.

[u/Readalie → u/TheLonelyVastard]

OP, if you're going to be the only youth librarian, there's a good chance you will still have to move around a lot if you'll be required to do programming/events. Kids are high energy! You'll also likely have to work a lot of desk shifts so you'll be all over the building showing people where various materials are. It's probably a much smaller space than your Walmart but just be aware that it's not likely to be a restful job.

[u/fredsprime → u/TheLonelyVastard]

If you’re committed to leaving Walmart anyway I honestly would recommend taking the library job for now bc it’s your dream and you can later use your experience to get another job with better pay. Plus the benefits seem pretty solid honestly. Better to have a job than no job. If it pays all your necessary bills then cancel netflix and other subscriptions and check out library shows/movies instead. Dip into your savings for student loans if you have any. Then focus your extra time on finding a part time job you’d be qualified for, like tutoring in whatever subject you got your degree in or something in business using your Walmart experience

[u/notthetypetocare → u/caffinegirlgonemild]

No adult can survive off $13 a hr. I was making $14 a hr at an escape room and my checks were shitty (I was able to keep all tips and it still sucked)

[u/presplate]

All I can say is real. I just came to terms with me becoming an elementary school teacher after running away from it. Maybe you can do a part time at Walmart until you can make librarian your full

[u/HappyKadaver666]

Omg! I read the title of your post and was like “Is she a librarian?” - clicked and lo and behold lol. This was my dream job too - I gave it a go for about a decade and bailed right before COVID, never to return. I want you to know there is life beyond library-land - and the living is good 😊

[u/cattail31 → u/HappyKadaver666]

I was wondering if it was a historical society or museum at first and was like “ope, that too.”

[u/cactusblossom12 → u/HappyKadaver666]

i had the same first thought when i saw the post! bc i’ve also been in the same boat. i worked part time at two libraries and i later applied to 20+ full time library jobs (not librarian) and i didn’t get a single interview, so i was like maybe i shouldn’t go for the degree and just find something else 🥲

[u/Interesting_Use_7664]

may i ask what the hours are? Perhaps maybe taking a part time at the walmart you work at and see if the hourly rate there stays the same? You might be uncomfortable for a couple of months but keeping the library position might be the best for your mental health

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/Interesting_Use_7664]

I’d be stepping down from my Dept manager position. The library and the walmart are in different towns- about 40 minutes apart. The hours are 9:30-5:30 at the library. I don’t see myself being able to keep even a part time position if I accept the library job.

[u/Interesting_Use_7664 → u/TheLonelyVastard]

oh okay, i see :(

[u/reddit-got-me-good]

From a US library paraprofessional: yeah. Unfortunately, for circulation or page work (which is how most folks get in the door without the MLIS) that sounds about standard. Librarians typically earn around $22 starting pay, but that's with that master degree, and it really varies a LOT depending on location. No one should have to make that choice between Walmart and a career that they'd love and have passion for...but that's exactly why the US powers are trying to delegitimize so many careers right now, including libraries. Push people so hard that they don't have the energy to push back, and for things that an really make a difference, strip the system of its federal assistance or structure. Some public libraries have tuition assistance, scholarships, or other means of helping pay for the higher level degree if that's an option for you to receive higher pay down the line? Try to negotiate higher and explain that the wages are the only thing holding you back.

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/reddit-got-me-good]

The tuition assistance is not available at this library. It is very very small.

[u/lemonlime1999]

I’m so sorry. That is absolutely nuts that they only offer $13 an hour.

[u/AbaloneZestyclose136]

You need a masters degree to be a librarian usually. I was a clerk and made 12.95 an hr

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/AbaloneZestyclose136]

Yes! However this is for a very small rural library and they only require that I take my state certification.

[u/am123_20]

Damn that library is BADLY underpaying. Our part time circulation aides/pages are making like $17 an hour, and that's with no degree required.

[u/samui_penguin]

Another librarian checking in. I’m sorry you experienced this! It’s unfortunately a common one. While I do love the job and find it very fulfilling, the reality is that we are drastically undervalued (and subsequently underpaid). But there are ways to make it work. If you’re ever looking for library career advice and encouragement, r/librarians is a good place to go!

[u/abb00769]

Years ago a friend of mine worked at the library. She had a master’s degree in library science and still barely made more than minimum wage. She eventually left bc practically every unskilled job still paid better. I think she ended up bartending or waiting tables and made a good deal more money. It’s so insulting that skills and education aren’t valued more.

[u/wriggettywrecked]

Girl, I make $35/hr at TSA. You just have to sell your soul to the government and you can afford your own home library.

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/wriggettywrecked]

At this point I think I sold it to Sam Walton

[u/darumaka_]

As a librarian, unfortunately libraries just do not pay well unless you have that stupid piece of paper (MLIS.) However, if you can make it work many libraries offer total tuition funding for you to get your Masters once you've got your foot in the door. That's how I got mine totally debt free - and as someone who has been working in libraries for 10+ years, getting a grant or having your job foot the bill is the only way to make getting your MLIS worth it, don't take out loans or otherwise go into debt for it because even with a degree, us boots-on-the-ground folks still do not make the big bucks.

[u/RicePuddingRecipes]

This is such a bummer. I love libraries and I love children's books (I actually have a kids' read-aloud channel as a hobby) but there's no way I could do $13/hr. That's depressing as hell.

[u/AgentKazak]

$13/hour is basically volunteering!  That’s abysmal! 

[u/bev665]

$13/hr is what I was (under)paid at a non-profit 19 years ago.

[u/Applesnraisins]

I’m a public school librarian! It pays literally JUST enough…to make rent and pay bills where I live. Definitely not actually livable wage.

I love being a librarian! I adore it! But it pays PISS and that’s such an injustice when libraries are AMAZING resource finding spots.

[u/IllDrag9947]

This really sucks :( Is it possible to work your walmart schedule around the library and do both?

[u/partial_to_dreamers]

I left library work after 20 years because it is not now, nor ever moving towards a living wage. I loved the work. It was sad. I worked in public and academic libraries. I never got my MLIS, and I wasn't going to pay tens of thousands for it. I'd be unable to recoup the money put into it and have to spend it to learn the things I had already been doing for years. I make much more as an Admissions Counselor, so at least I got to stay at the school I love.

[u/mindylynx]

you could always tell them you're willing to take the job if they can match your current salary. sometimes it works!

[u/nighthawkndemontron]

What's the longevity bonus and Christmas stipend? A gift card to Starbucks?

[u/labospor]

And once you figure in taxes that’s more like 9 an hour :(

[u/drieduphighliter]

I considered becoming a librarian (master’s and all) and decided not to after considering cost of living. Since then, I have become a steward of a little free library. It’s a small taste of being a librarian, but I feel satisfied.

Keep the job that pays. Use the money to support yourself and fund passion projects that fill your soul.

[u/Amazing_Chicken_74]

I’m sorry you’re experiencing this, it’s a sad realization. I eventually had my own as a social worker. Day job with Children’s Services, nights/weekends bartending. Did this for years until it became unsustainable as a single mother (at the time I joked only married women could afford to be social workers). But, something had to give, she couldn’t raise herself. Despite a masters degree and years in the field I chose bartending. I simply made more money- even paying out of pocket for benefits/retirement savings. The time it took me to come to this realization also changed how I felt about the job. I still cared deeply about the work I was doing, my career..but realized the world we live in doesn’t. Those roles (social worker, teachers, librarians), which are desperately needed now and for our collective future, are unseen and unappreciated.
So..now I’m a bartender at a dive bar in a tourist area with a master degree in social work. Never assume anything about the help!🤣
I’m fairly certain all the sayings about “doing what you love” were made my rich men. The reality is…work is the means to provide for what you love- whatever that may be- child, volunteer work, etc. However- so I’m not a totally downer- there is always the chance of finding that sweet spot in between. Keep looking, but look beyond what you may initially gravitate towards and think of all the possibilities.

[u/Intrepid_Heroes]

Librarian here. Look, I'll be honest, there are a lot of really great moments and there are a lot of really, really crappy moments. Public service is no joke. You get a lot of joy out of your job and you get a lot of the worst of people, and I am a children's librarian and I still see it. 

So here's the thing, you CAN always do side hustles, you CAN always work a second job or whatever for more money if you REALLY think this is it. Absolutely. But not every day will be wonderful. Not every day will be magic. Not every day will be children staring up at you in awe because you gave them a perfect book that unlocks their love of reading and they finally feel seen. Some will feel that way. 

But some days? Some days you're cleaning up pee. Some days an adult is swearing at you about books that they think shouldn't be in the department and calling you a groomer and threatening you. Some days someone has smeared poop in the bathroom. Some days are mundane and boring. And those are the days you have to remember when you're considering this change. 

It's not to say you shouldn't because there's always upsides to every job/career change. I just think that a lot of the time people look at librarianship and see one side and are willing to sacrifice because they get asked to because it's such a admirable profession--sure, but I also want to pay my bills with it, thanks. 

[u/giantfup]

Work both for as long as you can stand it. Walmart part time and the dream job as many hours as you can get.

I'm an archaeologist, what I've dreamt of being since I was 3. I also still do doordash on the side, and have done house cleaning and personal assistant stuff and all kinds of app based side gigs for the 11 years I've been in my industry. I probably won't be able to stop doing side hustles for a long time yet. This economy ducks.

It's still worth it to work your dream job and the side work.

[u/Witty_Impress8369]

I saw your headline and laughed thinking “damn I can relate!” Opened the post. 

I’m a cataloging and metadata librarian.  My dream job. 

I live in the south, have my MLIS, and thirteen years of experience. I don’t even make $50,000. 

[u/AnitaLatte]

Public service jobs pay lower. Usually the benefits make up for some of that. Will the library job pay all your health insurance, compared to Walmart where you may be paying a portion of the premium.

Is the library job a union position? If so, they offer annual raises and cost of living increases.

[u/PuzzleheadedBig9623]

https://giphy.com/gifs/YRleSgrfcBuNO

[u/Mindless_Celery_1609]

I work in libraries - I have NEVER heard of a wage that low for a fte position with benefit.

You must live in a low QOL area if you can survive on that, but even then, thats atrocious and they should know better. They DO know better and hope you dont.

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/Mindless_Celery_1609]

ding ding! you’re a winner! Rural small town, I could survive- but that’s it… no fun no advancement, no vacations, something breaks i’m screwed.

[u/Ok-Republic-4114]

I am so sorry, that pay is ridiculous. But when you factor in benefits (typically very good) vs maybe crappy to none at Walmart are the figures closer? What about raises? Most city jobs are good about giving raises, and the longer you stay the better they get.

For what it's worth, waking up and going to a job I love is priceless, my mental and physical health have improved and not being stressed or dreading going to work is such a nice feeling.

Good luck

[u/Unique_Persimmon9454]

Sidebarrrr

Is this Blue Bell🤭

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/Unique_Persimmon9454]

YESS the great divide!

[u/princessjamiekay]

They never do

[u/jezzarus]

I've been in higher ed/nonprofit for most of my career, and low pay is unfortunately a drawback of having a "passion" job.

Since you sound young, consider keeping a shift or two at Walmart and just accept the new gig. It's a first job in your industry anyway. I've done this for early career before, and currently my friend is going through the same thing. In my case I designed websites and resell on the side (still resell) and currently a buddy of mine is waiting tables on weekends while he builds up his art therapy practice.

Don't be discouraged - you're just at the start of a journey!

[u/Lunasolastorm]

Library jobs are largely considered vocational, meaning they rely on you wanting to feel fulfilled as being part of the “pay” you get. You’re lucky it didn’t require the masters degree from an ALA accredited program, but I’m assuming it’s bc you said it’s a smaller community and I’m guessing it’s also underfunded based on that pay. Ime library workers without the MLIS tend to get at most about $18/hr, unless they already have years of experience.

[u/AdvantageBig227]

OK, but do they cover your insurance completely? If you still have to pay a premium, then it might not be worth it. But if your health insurance is completely paid for, the pay cut might be worth it. Unless you have insurance through Wal Mart. At 20 an hour, their employer group health might be worth it, even if you do have to pay a premium. But if Wal Mart is slowly killing you, then you may find the pay cut worth it, regardless. Only you can answer these questions. If you take the library job, can you find an additional source of income, like gigging, or under the table type services? Or a way to cut out other costs of living? Once again, only you can answer these questions.

[u/dolly__jane]

If you're in the US, and that's the great divide ice cream by the beloved brand of the region it hails from, the pay for gov positions in the area are terrible.

I took a pay cut for my dream job in a similar vocation. It barely covers things, but coming from an extremely toxic workplace prior, it's amazing on my mental and physical health. My worst day here is better than my best day there. Still doesn't help the finances though.

[u/EarlyInside45]

That's bonkers. At my library, the shelvers (entry-level part-time clerks) make $19 an hour. Librarians make about $50 an hour, but MLS is required. Cost of living is high, though.

[u/nhyunmi]

What’s the prospects of moving up in the pay scale?

Does Wal-Mart have the same benefits? Cause if they don’t, I’d say the benefits that come with the library job may be worth it.

Congrats! Welcome to the profession!

Signed,

Fellow Librarian

[u/TheLonelyVastard → u/[deleted]]

As a fellow enby you don’t wanna be here, my friend. Rural Oklahoma is not a kind place for us.

[u/beardingmesoftly]

$13/hour is criminal!

[u/manicpixie_dreamgal]

This is why we need taxes!!!! TAX THE RICH

[u/Green_Implement_5564]

I made $12 an hour painting houses in 1994.

[u/Kelsoschoices]

Well seems like you gotta find something to do on the side that you enjoy

[u/_hustle_rose]

This might not help, but I’ve had to come to accept (for me at least) that it’s better to have a whatever job that can fund my dreams , than to struggle in a “dream” job that left me so financially stressed I had no life.

[u/IAmHavox]

Girl I absolutely feel you. I make $15 an hour in a place where the average home price is over a million dollars. I feel bad but I have to make it to 10 years to be vested for teachers retirement. I'm over halfway there at least 🙃 I do all the programming and outreach and I wish it paid enough to live on comfortably

[u/midamerica]

Common misconception, but BLIS is no longer required at most libraries any more. 35 yrs in the biz and now have young people simply paying $20k for a quick MLS degree certificate online at a MAJOR library degree university. A year online with some intern training and that's it..Not like the old days. So don't let anyone kid you. In fact, I was in a program where a director at an $80 million library system said he prefers to hire NON library trained people these days because they are more flexible and I quote, "the days of introverts hiding behind their desks with their nose stuck in a library card catalogue are over in the every changing times of public funding."

In our state even rural library directors, treasurer's, IT, facilities & business managers makes high 6, to even 7 figure salaries just like in public schools. But the worker bees who actually do the work barely make a living wage by today's standards.

That being said, today's modern public library and public school worker bees are extremely dedicated and enjoy what they do. And the patrons know and will love you for your sacrifice.

If that's your dream, go for it, or work for the experience then keep moving to better paying locations around the country. Otherwise best of luck and you will need to focus on climbing the corporate public ladder by schmoozing, playing politics and cutting thru your competition.

[u/pastriesandprose]

It’s my dream to work at a library too 😔 I wish it paid more.