r/worldcup • u/throwawar4 Canada • 27d ago
đ°News Morocco captain Achraf Hakimi will stand trial for rape, French prosecutors have confirmed
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c20y18z7le1o77
u/f00tballguy 27d ago
Cleveland Browns front office is already making calls to his agent
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u/More-Part-9613 27d ago
Morocco gonna have a helluva time getting into Canada if needed
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u/EmergencyInternal837 26d ago
It's not really fair to deny someone entry over allegations...If no convictions then the accused is innocent until proven guilty.
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u/Teeenagedirtbag 27d ago
Morocco has a 0% chance of playing in Canada thankfully. Our path is projected to entirely exclude Morocco
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u/Anonymous-Josh 27d ago
Could play in Mexico tho so hopefully he gets his visa denied to be in Mexico
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u/EmergencyInternal837 26d ago
I dint really understand the hate here over accusations...I would agree if he was convicted of rape to deny him entry to oxygen
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u/Anonymous-Josh 26d ago
So youâre good with defending and supporting someone for it to turn out they are a rapist all along and you were defending them against that claim for nothing but the love of the game?
Plus because rape is so hard to prove in court so it doesnât necessarily mean the person didnât do it just because they arenât convinced. People can have their own judgement outside of what the court says based on the evidence available
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u/speedbreaka 21d ago
So you are good with attacking someone who might be innocent just in case it was true?
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u/Fglre 27d ago
âThe Versailles appeals court said in a press statement that it ordered that Hakimi be formally charged with rape. The court said that the investigations conducted during the inquiry and the judicial investigation led the investigating chamber to conclude that there is sufficient evidence against the player to stand trial.â
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u/Alex72598 USA 27d ago
Damn. Genuinely had no idea about this until someone mentioned it on the game thread.
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u/Big_Increase3289 27d ago
I hope the truth will come out whatever it is and the one who is to blame get and appropriate punishment
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u/Left_Knee_y0y0 25d ago
"I've been waiting for this trial since day one. And now I'm eagerly awaiting it. Finally, I'll be able to speak." Hakimi
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u/ghostdeinithegreat 27d ago
That means Morroco needs to win group C if they want to have their captain play in round of 32.
Runner up of their group play in Toronto and Canada will not let him enter the country.
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u/Ambitious-Sink2725 27d ago
No Partey was only denied because he lied on the form if Hakimi tells the truth he should be fine
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u/darekd003 Canada 27d ago
Did we ever hear if the other guy who was denied also lied? His charges were for spot fixing. I never heard if it was the charges themselves or the lying.
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u/ghostdeinithegreat 27d ago
Border security canada never give a reason to why someone is not allowed in. They dont have to.
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u/Delta_Foxtrot_1969 27d ago
The worst part was the hypocrisy.
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u/DW241 27d ago
In the movie Dirty Work, itâs âthe lack of respect.â
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u/jstilla 27d ago
Well, except for the other thing. That was the worst.
But the second worst thing? The lack of respect! Ridiculous.
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u/JapanEngineer Australia 27d ago
Both accuser and accused looking forward to a trial. Interesting.
Hope the truth comes out and justice dealt.
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u/AstamanyanaQ 26d ago
Hakimi filed to stop a trial from happening, and he lost. He's blatantly lying about looking forward to a trial.
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u/MyEyebrowsAreReal 25d ago
Because most rape cases are about power. Same reason Epstein Island exists. If you can have anyone you want, you start looking for people you canât have/donât want you. At the same time, famous+rich people are more likely to be accused of rape because it would be a blow to their reputation so they settle with money. But letâs not pretend like rape is super rare, especially amongst powerful people. Donât make assumptions against the victim
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u/ItsKyanVB 25d ago
Thereâs an actual rapist playing for Marseille in france with proof posted all over social media and nothing happened⌠How will this be any different if he even did it
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u/Boggo1895 25d ago
Well hopefully this would be different if he got convicted because he would actually be convicted and Greenwood isnât.
Iâm not saying greenwood didnât do it but if convicted Hakimi will likely see jail time, hard to play for psg from behind bars
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u/Popular_Tomorrow_204 25d ago
One gets shit on by the english the other one gets loved by a lot of ppl. They probably wont even care. So why should his Nation and Club do anything?
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u/ItsKyanVB 25d ago
His nation and club shouldnât have to do anything the police and judges should
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u/T0t0leHero 27d ago
that's one of these edge case where it's hard to make a clear opinion : you got one woman accusing him of rape, after agreeing to meet him at his home alone and she didnt let autorities access her phone + there's a few exchanges with her friend implying she's looking for money or hide something.... I'm not saying she lies, but there's some troubling elements of context leading to be cautious about AH being a rapist.... a trial is much needed and i hope for everyone truth be clearly made...
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u/AstamanyanaQ 26d ago
Unfortunately for Hakimi, the likelihood becomes quite strong he will be convicted, because French courts do not generally pursue a trial unless the evidence is sufficient. We just don't have the evidence they found from their three year investigation, and we won't until the trial.
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u/minivatreni Croatia 26d ago
Do we know what evidence we have? Will the courts make this info public?
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u/Biacksmith 27d ago edited 27d ago
Maybe she is not handing over her phone because she was flirting with him and agreeing to go to his home. Maybe they even texted about wnating to have sex. She might think it will invalidate her claims.
We had a case in our university where a local student was romantically interested in a Phd student coming from a non-Western culture. Of course she went to his apartment because she was interested in him and maybe more. But planning to have sex and getting raped are two different things. He raped her and framed it as consensual sex saying that because she accepted coming into his apartment, she must have wanted it (forced sex). This is the real gray zone that causes a lot of reports to get dismissed unless you have very obvious evidence or quickly subject yourself to a genital inspection where obvious violation points to rape. The female student's case was dismissed by the police because she had exchanged romantic texts with the rapist and voluntarily went to his apartment.
A lot of women pursue a man sexually but then halfway through realize that they want to back out and then get raped. Not saying it always happens but that itâs a very common scenario because the other person might not take a "No" for a No and decide they deserve to take what they want.
Not saying that she is the case for whatâs happening here but just throwing this out here.
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u/Moist_Alfalfa_5463 26d ago
So how do you judge rape then?
I feel for the woman in your example. But, how does one fairly judge for rape then? If you texted romantically, went to the mans house late at night and were intending sex and then backed out, but the man forces you I agree its rape. But what if you do have sex and then regret it. Whats the distinction for the judge to analyze beyond your words? Whats the proof?
Similarly, whats to say the woman even enjoys the sex but realizes she can extort money or fame or sympathy, to then trap him and get money.
If everything up to and until the event points to your interest in the man, then how do you prove rape?
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u/PrinceWhoPromes 27d ago
On Reddit youâre guilty until proven innocent. Same as what happened to Matt Araiza.
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u/Blueman126 27d ago
Nah on reddit you are guilty even if you are proven innocent
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u/Anonymous-Josh 27d ago
âOn Reddit the alleged victim is guilty of lying and extortion until proven innocentâ
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u/grog23 Germany 27d ago
My man most of the worldâd legal system puts the burden of proof on the accuser. Heâs innocent until proven guilty, as it should be. Her allegation is taken seriously and is leading to a trial. Once the evidence is presented and weighed at court, we can assess if itâs enough to prove him guilty
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u/Ratbelly76 USA 27d ago
Werent there 2 other footballers not allowed in Canada for rape related charges?
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u/throwawar4 Canada 27d ago
One was for rape accusations âThomas Partey of Ghana, and One for gambling/game fixingâElye Wahi of Ivory Coast (the latter has since been resolved I believe)
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u/darekd003 Canada 27d ago
Thanks for the update on the Ivory Coast guy. I hadnât heard more about him since the initial denial of entry.
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u/moham-17 27d ago
I donât know enough about this situation.
Innocent until proven guilty.
If heâs guilty then fuck him. But until then play on.
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u/Big_Increase3289 27d ago
I agree. I am not saying thatâs the case, but in Greece we had a similar situation with a football player few years ago.
I remember a clip in the news where he was cuffed walking towards the police station and he was telling to the cameras âthey are doing it for the moneyâ.
Eventually, two young girls were indeed doing it to get money from him and were blackmailing with texts.The man got released and was found innocent but his career was over in Greece, so they transferred him.
Hopefully, whoever is guilty will be also punished whether if itâs Hakimi or whatever
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u/Inevitable_Motor_685 26d ago
how many rapists are there in this world cup
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u/SchmidtHitsTheFan Canada 26d ago
Do I need to mention the most prominent host country and its government?
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u/Lifekraft 26d ago
Possibly a lot honestly. Given how insane some of these relieve/ celebrating parties can be.
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack Cabo Verde 26d ago
Unfortunately there are lots of rapists everywhere. Humanity sucks
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u/Key-Toe-6257 27d ago
Good. I want every Arsenal hater to now go after PSG too. They knew the things in the background too and did nothing.Â
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u/Torch3dAce 27d ago
Will his Visa be removed?
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u/MyzMyz1995 27d ago
If the Gana guy didn't get a visa this guy shouldn't get one either otherwise it's not fair
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u/Adds9 27d ago
He just had a belter game against Scotland when his visa probably should have been rejected đ¤Ł
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u/Informal_Degree_3205 27d ago
Nah the us likes rapists, we put one in the white house
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u/Choice_Fee67 26d ago
Funny how they're going after all soccer players but not a single person on the Epstein files
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u/Feisty_Bag_5284 26d ago
The French are going after them as well, the only EU country doing so
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u/Liam_021996 25d ago
The French are the only European country to not give a shit about what the US thinks or threatens tbf. Spain and the UK have also recently shown that they can infect grow a spine when dealing with the US
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u/sephitor_ 27d ago
FIFA is letting a rapist hand over the world cup after the finals, so I guess it doesn't mattee much to Infantino.
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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada 27d ago
They gave the rapist a gold medal and invented a fake prize to fawn over him.
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u/Minguri22 27d ago
The host president is a rapist and a pedo and what anyone did about it? He isn't just handing trophies either.
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u/MaleficentAttempt841 27d ago
Why should he be labelled as a rapist before the trial is over? Accused does not equal conviction.
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u/SevereRunOfFate 26d ago
The hypocrisy is the worst part, some say
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u/Jasperneal 27d ago
Japanâs Ito Junya faced a similar situation where he was kicked off the national squad after two women accused him of rape. It turned out that the women were lying so he was able to return but they almost ruined his life and career
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u/Sczeph_ 27d ago
Correction: both the case against Ito and Itoâs countersuit for defamation were dropped due to lack of evidence. Thatâs not the same as the women lyingâ it means that there isnât enough evidence to prove either way, and as no conclusion can be drawn so innocence is assumed.
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u/CaeruleanSea England 27d ago
I think a lot of ppl don't realise this - look at Conor Mcgregor.
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u/Jasperneal 27d ago
always important to take it with a grain of salt (not 100% proven) but I remember it was leaked who one of the girls was who accused her and she was an âinstagram influencerâ who had a history of accusing famous celebrities of sexual assult so a lot of the Japanese public has the view that Junya Ito was innocent despite the court rulings.
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u/Luddevig 27d ago edited 27d ago
Don't know if that's true. However -- Kaishu Sano who plays for Japan during this WC -- was accused of SA but was never indicted.
The Japanese head coach let him return to the team and said "I strongly felt that he is truly remorseful," following up with that they shouldn't cast him out "for making a mistake," kinda implying he in fact did do the SA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaish%C5%AB_Sano
Edit: Ito Junya was never kicked off the national squad?
Unless you mean now when he is 33 and isn't in the squad for this WC.He is even in the squad for this WC lolhttps://www.transfermarkt.de/junya-ito/nationalmannschaft/spieler/348791/verein_id/3435
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u/throwawar4 Canada 27d ago
A quick google doesnât lead me to this info, do you happen to have a source
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u/jz3735 27d ago edited 27d ago
If heâs found guilty, I suppose heâs right at home in the US.
Edit: Since it seems to be going over some peopleâs heads, Iâm referring to the President of the United States being found liable for sexual assault.
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u/Signalrunn3r 27d ago
This is reddit, we don't care about due process, guilty until proven innocent!
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u/slicerprime USA 26d ago
Following the Reddit Universal Formula:
(S +h2) - e = (U x â)where S is snarky, h is hate, e is evidence and U is upvotes
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u/Ghadaro Paraguay 26d ago
Upvote/downvote is the worst thing to gain prominence online. Too many people would do or say anything for a cheap like with no consideration for the impact the resulting mob mentality can have on other people.
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u/smokingace182 25d ago
Howâs he able to get a visa for the World Cup?
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u/TheLastHotstepper 25d ago
Im surprised they havent rolled out the red carpet and made him Vice President.
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u/banevaderlol_ 26d ago
I think he is innocent. They met on Instagram and he sent her a cab to bring her over to his house late at night.
I doubt she intended to meet up with him to play checkers. Not saying it's impossible for her to have changed her mind, but it certainly doesn't look good.
Then she refused to turn over her phone for forensic analysis. She also refused a medical exam.
It's said there were texts after the alleged rape where she was asking Hakimi for money. If true, Hakimi should have those messages and assuming the court allows them, they should be reviewd during trial.
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u/AstamanyanaQ 26d ago
Unfortunately, these seem to be social media claims, rather than facts in front of the judiciary. A three year investigation resulted in the judiciary rejecting the social media claims, despite most cases like this not being not allowed to go to trial. The fact that this one is allowed shows that he's more likely guilty than not. I won't assume he's guilty, but it's not kind to the victim to assume the courts are wrong and social media is right.
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u/Gen8Master 26d ago
We are about to find out. There is still the possibility that she consented and withdrew it after the deed because the rich dude lost interest or she didn't like the outcome.Â
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u/Little_Seaweed_6228 26d ago
Itâs a shakedownÂ
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u/ICreditReddit 26d ago
You can rape a person who's fully trying a shakedown.
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u/ICreditReddit 26d ago
More likely? Someone intending to sleep with you to shake you down with a rape accusation is 100% going to accuse you of rape.
You can also rape that person.
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u/ttue- 26d ago edited 26d ago
The first part of your post is very disturbing. Whether a woman goes to see a man for sex, if she changes her mind itâs a rape no matter the initial intention. If she says yes but refuses some practices itâs rape. Not discussing the rest of the post but this kind of assumption that you can force soneone just because sheâs there and canât change her mind is the mentality of a potential rapist.
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u/Omar___Comin 26d ago
In no way does OPs comment include an assumption that you can force someone just tbecausr she's there... He's just saying that the circumstances are that she went there willingly for a hookup initially which is relevant, albeit not definitive
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u/Longjumping_Level347 26d ago
it would be the best for situations like this that it's mandatory for them to video tape their whole interaction
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u/Jhopsch 26d ago
Neymar did exactly this, she accused him of rape, and he showed the recording. The woman ended up punished for false allegations
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u/waxym 26d ago
I must have missed this case. Wouldn't he then be liable for recording without permisssion?
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u/Jhopsch 26d ago
He said he left it recording on accident due to I believe a video call he was having earlier. I don't buy it. I think he suspected she was going to pull this off and was one step ahead. Also the justice system is a little different in Brazil so there may be exceptions for things like these. I didn't follow the case either, only skimmed over the news article.
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u/bobbyawesome5 26d ago
Itâs not that she changed her mind when there, itâs that the evidence is leaning to the fact she probably went as a willing hook up and decided to extort him for money after the fact.
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u/hades334 26d ago
^^ This. Regardless of whatever was happening up to that point or what led up to it, if at that moment someone doesnt want to have sex and is forced into it, it's rape. Ppl need to stop trying to make it sound less horrible cause 'they were interested at one point'
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u/unorthodox0407 26d ago
Sure surr... but the odds of this woman trying to run a scam and blackmail a rich man then getting angry it did not wotk and accuses of rape wouldnt be the first or last of her kind in the last 10 yrs
Hard to believe her is all
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u/Competitive-Bit-1571 26d ago
She should have caused a scene after it happened or called the police right away instead of accepting the cab. This looks like the classic post coital (hours later) withdrawal of consent or dissatisfaction of payment.
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u/Merkenfighter 26d ago
Holy fuck, dude. Look up âenthusiastic and ongoing consentâ, before you embarrass yourself any further.
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u/No_Fish265 27d ago edited 27d ago
Pull him out of the World Cup then. Fuck these losers
EDIT- All you little creeps saying âheâs innocentâ⌠dude was called home to a new contry for RAPE. Fucking losers too
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u/seththedark 27d ago
Unfortunately the rest of the world believes guilty until proven innocence and even then, your name is ruined.
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u/Commandant1 Canada 26d ago
Innocent until proven guilty doesnt mean that a country has to give a visa while someone is charged and awaiting trial in another country.
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u/Quantum_Aurora 27d ago
"Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defense."
- UN Declaration of Human Rights
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u/Spirited-Double2391 England 27d ago
You don't have to prove your innocence in almost all democratic countries. The prosecution has to prove guilt.
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u/nico_cali 27d ago
To be free, sure.
On the opposite side, immigration can not allow you in (look up Partey in Canada) if youâre a potential criminal.
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u/LaDainianTomIinson 27d ago
Sit this one out, Colombia is a lawless country ran by narcos - people get away with far more than rape there
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u/nico_cali 27d ago
Nice opinion. Was talking about Canada who doesnât need to let them in, as they didnât let Partey in, but cool opinion.
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u/Estepie88 USA 27d ago
Puts on Morocco
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u/Anonymous-Josh 27d ago
The real reason to be hating Morocco and PSG. Seen as theyâre eliminated hopefully one of the Haitian players can do us all a favour
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u/herbieLmao Germany 26d ago edited 24d ago
Luiz Diaz knew what he was doing
For those who donât know, im talking about this: https://youtube.com/shorts/-vh29Yu2cCE?is=Jx_A_LEd8njZLN4B
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u/Jaded-Sorbet-8098 25d ago
and here I was thinking that I couldnât hate Morocco even more
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u/jona_Lander 25d ago
Lol same, but you get downvoted for even mentioning itÂ
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u/Andrikos21 26d ago
Only Kaya is shocked.
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u/Leather_Ice_1000 27d ago
I understand the sentiment but that is so problematic unfortunately
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u/ComplexPlatform7299 27d ago
Wait what? I never heard anything about this! What happened?
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u/throwawar4 Canada 27d ago
Not many details. But he maintains his innocence, while plaintiffâs lawyer says he has been dragging her name through the mud since accusations arose in 2023(their words not mine).
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u/vpu4 27d ago
It is a very sketchy accusation. The accuser has texts literally bragging to her friend about how she will seduce and extort him. She has refused to turn over her phone to the police even though she is a plaintiff.
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u/karateguzman 27d ago
And yet despite this they consider enough there to prosecute
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u/Dangerous_Copy_3688 27d ago
Do you have any sources for this?
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u/vpu4 27d ago
Itâs hard to find in English so here is a translation of some of the texts . https://i.imgur.com/9hkWQ5R.png
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u/elemenelope 27d ago
They also found texts between her and her friend saying something like âwhat texts did you show the police already, so I know what to deleteâ.
Sounds like this could be a classic extortion case against a rich and famous target.
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u/Think-Apple3763 25d ago
This is the guy that put all his wealth under his mother's name and his ex wife didn't get anything when they divorced? Tells me all
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u/Temporary-Ebb-3130 25d ago
how tf is that a bad thing lmaoooo cuz some women didnât get HIS MONEY ?
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u/TheMafioso21 25d ago
Lmao it tells you the guy is not a dumbass
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u/Own_Durian_3853 24d ago
The story is fake and probably legally impossible, courts in most countries would see this as an obvious trick and it wouldn't fly. It's like saying I'm not paying my employees, I am giving them gifts every month. Those schemes got figured out a time ago
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u/Soulaymanee 21d ago
I hope someday you marry a gold digger bitch who will take half your money after 2 years of marriage .. that would tell you something
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