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Video Check out Lionel Messi’s face when Argentina found the England keeper’s water bottle with penalty notes of all the players

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u/Fantastic_Board7057 1d ago

I get “damn he’s not wrong vibes” here

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u/Life_Net5004 1d ago

Yeah..Messi’s face was like it was right!!

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u/Grin83 22h ago

Of course it was right. They’ve got people doing research on this, they don’t just go off vibes.

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u/dont_shoot_jr 20h ago

They took a photo and one of the players was just vibes

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u/thatindianguy1992 14h ago

Almada - feel of the day!

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u/stobbsE 20h ago

Im sure one of the tacticts for one of the players genuinely was just see how game goes.

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u/NoThatLame 19h ago

You realize how many people still get it wrong after all the research? Of course it's not always right, in fact often wrong if you look at the PK success rate.

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u/MixGroundbreaking622 19h ago

If Messi goes bottom left 65% of the time. I'd be diving bottom left.

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u/TraditionalMood277 12h ago

65% of the time, works every time

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u/MalaysiaTeacher 18h ago

It's a trend or tendency, not a guarantee

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u/tyedge 17h ago

Oh really, professor? Is that how tendencies work?

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u/nadjp 11h ago

What do you mean 'he will probably miss anyway' by my name look.

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u/Section1ne0h4our 1d ago

It’s crucial information too for them

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u/Default_Username_23 23h ago

Very true. Both teams would have studied the other players for this reason. Guaranteed Argentina would inform their players about Pickford’s tendencies. At this level it’s expected that this level of research is done.

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u/Motor-War-8015 23h ago

At this level lol… watch a Tuesday afternoon game of the shittiest MLB teams play and they do more research

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u/Kiukin 22h ago

Found the yank

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u/Bootglass1 20h ago

He isn't wrong though.

The amount of research MLB teams do is mind-boggling.

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u/Kiukin 19h ago

I meant it more about mocking the level of a football world cup game preparation, but yes, I'll admit baseball allows for very detailed research and data analysis.

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u/MathematicianSea7653 18h ago

because it's a game for alcoholic accountants.

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u/OldeFortran77 15h ago

"I made baseball as fun as doing your taxes!"

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u/stuntbikejake 15h ago

AND degenerate gamblers.

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u/FunkyPete 16h ago

In a sense it is more helpful in MLB.

Researching penalty kick tendencies is important, but even if the game goes to penalty kicks to win, you're unlikely to face a single kicker in a penalty kick in a single game more than 2 or 3 times. And the most you might see one team in the tournament is twice (if you played them before the knockout rounds, and then hit them again).

In the MLB, each batter is likely to come up 4 times a game, and you'll play them 3 (or maybe even 4) times in a row. If they're in your division you'll play them a total of 12, 13 games.

So that's each batter, 40-50 times.

The statistical tendencies of each batter matters more if you will face them a statistically significant number of times.

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u/chalbersma 20h ago

He's not wrong though.

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u/acecyclone717 23h ago

Did you just mansplain being a professional soccer player

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u/Ok_Act_1498 1d ago

Yeah, like " this is voodoo shit, man, how do they know that?" kind of thing. It's the most well-known secret in football 😭

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u/Paro-Clomas 23h ago

it was actually the opposite, he said something along the lines of "if he did that i would have scored"

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u/PastWorldly2469 21h ago

He’d have hit the post.

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u/Fantastic_Board7057 22h ago

Well maybe him in particular yea

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u/Bmoreravens_1290 23h ago

Now they all have to do the opposite and the next keeper will know that too

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u/Poupulino 21h ago

My favorite part was Almada being pure chaos "Feel on the day" lmao

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u/Appropriate-Joke-806 23h ago

Messi shoots lower right unless the keeper commits early and then he shoots middle or left. The note on the bottle says fake that direction and then dive the other way. Basically try to get Messi to go off script from his usual spot to mess him up and then save it when he shoots to the left. You could either do that, or stand still and attempt to react and dive hard to where he normally shoots and just make an athletic save.

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u/Gold-Kaleidoscope537 15h ago

Thx for the comment

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u/go_beavs 23h ago

thanks capt. obvious

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u/fondledbydolphins 17h ago

It wasn't obvious to me, I appreciated his comment.

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u/petantic 17h ago

"Yeah, he's spot on, better just win in normal time."

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u/Life_Net5004 1d ago

Pickford’s water bottle

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u/Owoegano_Vuelve 22h ago

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u/mrerikmattila 17h ago

Hello mur..Murphy! You are a elf, uncontrollably i think..

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u/duckduckblood 23h ago

Almada "Feel on the day"

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u/timbasile 20h ago

He wins. He's the only one who's truly random

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u/MaleierMafketel 18h ago

Almada has an algorithm in his head deciding for him and this wall in his hotel room

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u/Roxa-onion 1d ago

I wonder if everyone does that?

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u/Upset-Indication-617 1d ago

Yes, they all do similar. Nothing new. There is a famous penalty shootout where the goalie actually took time to review his notes on a piece of paper prior to each kick while the kicker was waiting. It is part helpfully to the goalie and part of how they psychologically get into the head of the kicker.

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u/Bobsy932 22h ago

Lehmann vs (coincidentally) Arg in 2006?

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u/madeWithAi 16h ago

Yeah, i remember that. And i remember he saved like 2-3 penalties lol

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u/LurchigeLurchin 16h ago

Oliver Kahn handed him this note. It's part of the DFB Museum too, If i am remembering this right.

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u/Juttaisvadsig 19h ago

I bet it also helps with getting stunlocked of having to choose in the moment where you are going to dive.

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u/Background_Product_7 18h ago

If you ever watch baseball, College or Pro, you can see the players look at a sheet, which I assume has info on the batter, where is balls teams to drop, etc, so they know to be ready for this guy or that

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u/YetiGuy 1d ago

Yes. Became controversial recently when one of the opposing team try to take away Moroccan (?) goalkeeper’s water bottle - I think last year.

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u/Sir-Kyle-Of-Reddit 23h ago

NPR’s Planet Money podcast just had an episode on the origin of this practice. Pretty interesting. https://www.npr.org/2026/07/03/nx-s1-5879357/world-cup-penalty-kick-game-theory

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u/RuMarley 1d ago

It's common, but I've never heard about it being taped to a water bottle.

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u/Chemistry-Deep 1d ago

Really? The England ladies keeper picked up her opposite number's and threw it into the fans so she couldn't use it.

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u/toooft 23h ago

That actually sounds like something an English player would do, how sportsmanlike

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u/Independent_Analyst3 21h ago

Sportmanship, in football? What a joke

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u/NecroDeity 19h ago

Ssshhhh don't you know unsportsmanlike behaviour is the monopoly of Argentines?

Surely it was an Argentine player, you must be misremembering

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u/Financial-Pay-5666 1d ago

Kids today just don't have long attention spans. 

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u/AskPuzzleheaded1797 1d ago

Looks normal stuff maybe he has bad memory

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u/Acceptable_Lark 23h ago

who publicized this? now spain has it lol

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u/Inchtabokatables 23h ago

Pretty sure that the Spanish National Team also has some data analyst employed

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u/reddorickt 18h ago

Also the data cannot be trusted because Argentina knows you have it so it's essentially worthless, especially in the next game they play.

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u/Greatbigdog69 23h ago

What is the difference between fake and disguise?

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u/SuperSatanOverdrive 22h ago

Disguise - he puts on a hood and mask

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u/IcePoemix 22h ago

Almada: feel on the day Almada found how to be truly unpredictable it seems

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u/Patient-Promotion196 20h ago

I like how all the research on Almada boils down to "just do a vibe check".

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u/Educational-Owl-741 19h ago

I like Almada note

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u/Mooks79 19h ago

Enzo thanking god it didn’t go to penalties is hilarious, he was blatantly planning a Panenka.

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u/S1ayer 17h ago

I feel like this is something that should be memorized to prevent some type of penalty or just the information getting out like this.

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u/Imurhuckleberree 16h ago

Spain says thank you.

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u/InATinBox 13h ago

England Keeper: "God don't let it be Almeda... Please no Almeda..."

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u/soypepito 7h ago

To be honest, I though it was going to be a handwritten tiny list, but that looks very professional

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u/nucl3ar0ne 1d ago

Very common to have this info somewhere, just interesting for the opposing team to actually see it.

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u/Crafty-Teach2389 21h ago

They all probably have their data somewhere at the club level as well, it's not just national level. They are all mercenaries. 

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u/Vast_Dig_4601 18h ago

They absolutely have this at the top club levels lol top level club soccer absolutely dwarfs fifa in terms of money

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u/Pd1ds69 15h ago

It's funny cause I saw the keeper asking for his water after a save in the second half. Like he gestured to the Argentina keeper it looked like

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u/Sara_W 22h ago

Imagine it's a trick and he wants them to see it

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u/Chappelow 22h ago

This was after Argentina had already won. Pickford will have just left the bottle in goal after leaving the pitch.

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u/Ok-Suggestion-7965 23h ago

“But i know he knows that I know but he knows that I knows that he know that I know, so I’m going to do the opposite of that. “

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u/Dantzig 23h ago

Game theory. 

Thus exact phenomenon was on the NPR Planet money recently

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u/im_dat_bear 17h ago

Never enter a game of wits with a Sicilian!

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u/NoThatLame 1d ago

I feel like this would get in Argentina's mind to mix it up next attempt.

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u/speedfox_uk 23h ago

Argentina win on penalties against Spain this could be the reason why.

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u/NoThatLame 19h ago

I was thinking the opposite! We shall see soon enough.

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u/Usual-Computer-5462 19h ago

This was after the match, Argentina had already won and Pickford likely just forgot to take the bottle with him.

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u/Potential-Yogurt139 19h ago

They mean for Spain

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u/zambaccian 19h ago

Wouldn’t they already anticipate this information bottle or not bottle, and know what the opposing research would yield if they’re doing their own?

I don’t understand the levels of game theory to this

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u/EvenCryptographer649 1d ago

Baxter you know I dont read English

- Bill Shakespeare

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u/Al-Anda 1d ago

Barco: hold, dive right, slap back of head

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u/gocard 21h ago

Now he can do the opposite. Except now they know he's going to do the opposite, so they'll adjust for that. But he knows they know he's going to do the opposite, so he'll...

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u/reddorickt 18h ago

Messi will just do exactly what it says on the bottle and still score

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u/PowerfulRaisin 20h ago

Earlier in the tournament we saw one of the teams (was it Egypt?) huddled reviewing opponent's PK footage on a laptop after the second overtime ended in a tie. Makes sense to have a cheat sheet. Detail on there is impressive.

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u/creativebic 18h ago

Same concept but I think they were doing a quick film session on the opposing goalie.

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u/seshtown 18h ago

It was because we subbed Mat Ryan on and they were obviously expecting Beach.

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u/IamJohnnyHotPants 1d ago

What am I looking for on his face?

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u/jumpinjahosafa 21h ago

This comment is so funny to me because I find Messi to be one of the most unreadable people in the limelight right now. Dude is robotic.

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u/terra_filius 22h ago

it moves

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u/Soldieroftru 1d ago

Its like they discovered how to read

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u/NecroDeity 19h ago

They are reading a second language, which is more than what I can hope from most English or Americans

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u/KungFoolMaster 23h ago

It like the first scene in 2001 Space Odyssey.

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u/TemporaryCamera8818 21h ago

Messi: Right translates to derecho in Spanish
Gonzalez: So you’re saying derecho translates to straight in English?
Messi: Yes, but derecho also translates to right
Gonzalez: So right means straight on the bottle?
Messi: 😶

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u/addiktion 21h ago

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u/Zuboronovic 20h ago

This was literally the first thing that came to my mind lol

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u/Xenc 17h ago

Happy cake day! 🍰

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u/pillbox14 14h ago

Kubrick is a genius!!!

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u/flatzfishinG90 19h ago

Reactions seem like he had his notes dialed in. Second guy thanking God he didn't have to face that challenge lol.

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u/AbeFromanLuvsSausage 18h ago

He covered his mouth, automatic red card

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u/genocideofnoobs 19h ago

I played D1 football, and against one of our rivals we purposely left a fake call sheet on their field during warmups the day before. I wonder if that's what happened here.

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u/spyingformontreal 1d ago

Unless the goalie wanted them to find that

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u/Au_tentico 20h ago

También le robaron su botella de agua?? No sé cansan de robar? 🤣🤣

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u/WhyKissAMasochist 23h ago

Lmao a few guys are definitely relieved it didn’t go to a shootout. That’s funny.

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u/rawbert10 23h ago

This is very common in football it became a thing in the 90s and then gained more popularity in the 2000s. But it's cool to see players reacting to what the keeper had put.

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u/Responsible-Job-3897 22h ago

Thank God for no pelnaties -Fernandez probably

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u/Kjubie1899 22h ago

Feel on the day 😂

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u/xF00Mx 21h ago

I laughed at that one too. Analysts just shrugging and telling him to go off "vibes"

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u/JinKazamaru 22h ago

there is nothing illegal about this I would think, it's just notes based on film and patterns

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u/quanski94 22h ago

He's like :"damn these english fuckers never learn anything from arsenal"

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u/Youri1980 21h ago

Little children

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u/VacantMalteser 19h ago

Imagine they left it on purpose for Argentina and that everything was opposite

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u/speedyejectorairtime 19h ago

Why tf are they touches someone else's water bottle?

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u/akbierly 18h ago

how did they get this

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u/Gee_Squared 16h ago

They parading that like its some spoils of war

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u/LevelHighway8146 15h ago

Messi’s face always looks like he’s just understood something for the first time

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u/kanye12327 14h ago

Messi pretending he can understand English here 😂

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u/punkslaot 1d ago

How'd they "find" it?

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u/Longjumping_Ad_7484 21h ago

Pickford intentionally left this decoy bottle with bad information. He's setting up the 2030 England win.

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u/punkslaot 17h ago

Hes playing chess while the dopy Argentines ar playing checkers. I like it

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u/WhyKissAMasochist 23h ago edited 22h ago

On the main thread people were saying keeper left it by the goal after the game. Which, if that’s the case, fair enough!

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u/eggs_mcmuffin 22h ago

F Argentina and their trash fans.

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u/jiang1lin 1d ago

So Xhaka did not warn them in advance 🤡🤪

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u/Nacho_Mustacho 23h ago edited 23h ago

Plot twist, the goalie left it there on purpose.

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u/Brief-Equal4676 23h ago

Surprise, it's the decoy bottle left there on purpose! He was planning on doing the opposite!

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u/Simsalabimson 23h ago

Remember Jens Lehmann 2006?

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u/Persistence6 22h ago

Are people this dumb? National teams and clubs have been doing this since like 2008

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u/winlowbung4 22h ago

The question is, is this the real bottle, or the bottle used to spread false info to the other team on purpose

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u/spartanofsol 22h ago

Insufferable

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u/CodeMonkeyX 22h ago

Why are they shocked? I would be shocked if their keeper was dumb enough to not research trends for the penalty takers before hand. This has been a thing for many years now.

Maybe the only difference is it looks like Pickford planned out his exact routine for each taker. That's about it.

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u/Legitimate_Cut_6254 21h ago

I was an amateur athlete into my mid thirties and we had sheets for all the teams we played going into tournament weekends. Most of the time we had enough connections and history we had practices designated to each team we'd likely face going into the weekend.

We knew the cutting patterns, dump routines, handler weaves, throwing preferences (forehand backhand), the thrower/receiver connections (which throwers liked to go deep with certain receivers). The end zone plays they had and how to defend them.

We'd call defenses depending on who had the disc and who was on the field. It's pretty average stuff honestly.

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u/sonofsiri 21h ago

"HE CAN READ!!!"

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u/ionertia 21h ago

Its information they already knew. I assume all major sports teams have reverse coordinators.

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u/Mental_Attorney_787 21h ago

This is like after war, the winning side rummaging through the losers shit 🙌🏾👍🏾

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u/arrogantmonkey 21h ago

I wonder how aware they are of their own tendencies? Like maybe some of the actually learned something about what they were doing. Like Messi is "wait everybody knows i do that?"

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u/Competitive_Host_432 21h ago

God how can you play at the top level of scientists and not know there is countless researchers and data scientists who study this shit for exactlythese moments?

A friend of mine does it for a league one club. Provides key stats on every opponent player in every squad.. down to the likelihood of each winger cutting inside versus going on the outside.

Utterly mad that Messi would be shocked that Pickford had accurate information on penalty taking for some of the highest profile players in the world.

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u/Suspicious-V3rbatim 20h ago

I dont follow soccer but is this illegal? I dont see anything wrong with it. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Sleeping_Blade 19h ago

Nono it is clearly legal, all the teams do it. This time was "funny" the fact Pickford left the water bottle on the field at the end of the game and nothing much

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u/WOAHdude0197 20h ago

I wonder if this would mess with the keepers mind. Like they saw it so they’ll probably do something different, or will they?

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u/rememberjs 20h ago

“Oh mannn!!  I DO do that!”

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u/seazonedsaltdog 20h ago

MLB players do this every day in the outfield

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u/chitain 20h ago

Pass the list to Unai Simón!!

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u/ShithEadDaArab 19h ago

Plot twist. He intentionally left it to play mind games

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u/tipochic0000 19h ago

He was covering his mouth someone give him a yellow

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u/fenek108 19h ago

Fernandes was like "hermano! That's exactly how I was going to shoot it"

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u/Floofaramamama 19h ago

Spain, study them and do the opposite of what they usually do. They will practice other ways to do their penalties lol

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u/Brief_Pass_2762 19h ago

Can they read?

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u/GMG332 18h ago

Was this before or after the game? Interesting!

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u/kyeblue 18h ago

this is called analytics

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u/henkdevries365 18h ago

You'd need at least 100 water bottles to keep track of all the Argentinian fouls.

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u/Odd-Independent4640 18h ago

I assume this is like what tom Brady’s wristband looked like - not his own plays bc those were burned on his brain, but all the defensive tendencies of the Chiefs

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u/DavidsTenThousand 18h ago

I mean, the whole pitching part of baseball is basically this.

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u/Embarrassed_Art5414 18h ago

The back of Pickford's gloves said "don't let in any goals"
His boots just had an "L" and an "R"

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u/Background_Product_7 18h ago

It’s not that much data to crunch. How many PKs does a player kick on average, not counting Renaldo?

If front offices are crunching data on millions of pitches a year, PKs is a light afternoon.

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u/rocketmn69_ 18h ago

Why are they touching the other teams equipment? That should be a rule violation or something

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u/mccusk 17h ago

Could have been worse. He could have read “Messi: wait for him to hit a shit one. Save it” 😁

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u/Tobax 17h ago

Been done before, nothing against it

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u/Believer1978 17h ago

Maybe it was fake and intentionally placed there… this seems to easy

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u/Artistic_Ad3653 17h ago

inside job

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u/TheSocialDemocrat 17h ago

I have wondered if the fact this got leaked out would be in their heads at all in a potential final shootout.

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u/chucktoddsux 15h ago

Why did the goalie write the notes in Spanish?

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u/Quirky_Scar7857 12h ago

its like a war souvenir

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u/darlingbunnykinss 12h ago

Bro why did they just leave the water bottle there 😭😭

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u/darlingbunnykinss 12h ago

Kinda strange of them to be poking around England’s side and looting their belongings …

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u/boomslung1 12h ago

Jordan Pickford, the Everton keeper that has won fuck all his entire career at club level trying to outfox the world champions.

Tuchel picked this guy over hendo.

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u/Bigchunky_Boy 10h ago

“Found the water bottle “? .

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u/Tripple_T 7h ago

Pickford really needs to she better care of his water bottle.

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u/Melodic-Land-6079 7h ago

Isn’t this pretty common practice? Like Gigi did this?

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u/Agreeable_Mud_8338 6h ago

if it wasnt for the english goal keeper the score would have been much higher...they played like pussies and it didnt work out.....

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u/Acceptable_House1904 5h ago

Messi pretending to read

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u/VicDave202 5h ago

Can he read English

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u/Mel_Morty 3h ago

Pickford: Got ‘em with the fake.

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u/SirPightymenis 3h ago

Enzo's reaction is even better lmao

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u/Proton_Grow_A_Tonne 2h ago

Now they just have to figure out how to read...

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u/zzzygan 1h ago

This is why the stutter steps are such a thing now. They wait for the keeper to commit to something then change, cause they know the research that has gone into everything. Having said that, there is only a few players that actually can change things well.

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u/HeathenPower316 1h ago

Fernandez “Stand central.” He knows Enzo’s dumb ass would try a Panenka.

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u/someonefromaustralia 1h ago

Plot twist - the keeper had two water bottles: one to leave if they lost,that would give false information to disadvantage Argentina in the GF

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u/newrez88 33m ago

I feel like people who are surprised at Pickford having this on his water bottle are new football fans. This is done by nearly all keepers in very important matches, for a long time, too.