r/sportsgossips • u/Life_Net5004 • 1d ago
Video Check out Lionel Messi’s face when Argentina found the England keeper’s water bottle with penalty notes of all the players
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u/Fantastic_Board7057 1d ago
I get “damn he’s not wrong vibes” here
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u/Life_Net5004 1d ago
Yeah..Messi’s face was like it was right!!
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u/Grin83 22h ago
Of course it was right. They’ve got people doing research on this, they don’t just go off vibes.
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u/dont_shoot_jr 20h ago
They took a photo and one of the players was just vibes
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u/NoThatLame 19h ago
You realize how many people still get it wrong after all the research? Of course it's not always right, in fact often wrong if you look at the PK success rate.
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u/MixGroundbreaking622 19h ago
If Messi goes bottom left 65% of the time. I'd be diving bottom left.
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u/Section1ne0h4our 1d ago
It’s crucial information too for them
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u/Default_Username_23 23h ago
Very true. Both teams would have studied the other players for this reason. Guaranteed Argentina would inform their players about Pickford’s tendencies. At this level it’s expected that this level of research is done.
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u/Motor-War-8015 23h ago
At this level lol… watch a Tuesday afternoon game of the shittiest MLB teams play and they do more research
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u/Kiukin 22h ago
Found the yank
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u/Bootglass1 20h ago
He isn't wrong though.
The amount of research MLB teams do is mind-boggling.
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u/Kiukin 19h ago
I meant it more about mocking the level of a football world cup game preparation, but yes, I'll admit baseball allows for very detailed research and data analysis.
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u/MathematicianSea7653 18h ago
because it's a game for alcoholic accountants.
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u/FunkyPete 16h ago
In a sense it is more helpful in MLB.
Researching penalty kick tendencies is important, but even if the game goes to penalty kicks to win, you're unlikely to face a single kicker in a penalty kick in a single game more than 2 or 3 times. And the most you might see one team in the tournament is twice (if you played them before the knockout rounds, and then hit them again).
In the MLB, each batter is likely to come up 4 times a game, and you'll play them 3 (or maybe even 4) times in a row. If they're in your division you'll play them a total of 12, 13 games.
So that's each batter, 40-50 times.
The statistical tendencies of each batter matters more if you will face them a statistically significant number of times.
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u/Ok_Act_1498 1d ago
Yeah, like " this is voodoo shit, man, how do they know that?" kind of thing. It's the most well-known secret in football 😭
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u/Paro-Clomas 23h ago
it was actually the opposite, he said something along the lines of "if he did that i would have scored"
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u/Bmoreravens_1290 23h ago
Now they all have to do the opposite and the next keeper will know that too
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u/Appropriate-Joke-806 23h ago
Messi shoots lower right unless the keeper commits early and then he shoots middle or left. The note on the bottle says fake that direction and then dive the other way. Basically try to get Messi to go off script from his usual spot to mess him up and then save it when he shoots to the left. You could either do that, or stand still and attempt to react and dive hard to where he normally shoots and just make an athletic save.
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u/Life_Net5004 1d ago
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u/duckduckblood 23h ago
Almada "Feel on the day"
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u/timbasile 20h ago
He wins. He's the only one who's truly random
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u/Roxa-onion 1d ago
I wonder if everyone does that?
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u/Upset-Indication-617 1d ago
Yes, they all do similar. Nothing new. There is a famous penalty shootout where the goalie actually took time to review his notes on a piece of paper prior to each kick while the kicker was waiting. It is part helpfully to the goalie and part of how they psychologically get into the head of the kicker.
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u/Bobsy932 22h ago
Lehmann vs (coincidentally) Arg in 2006?
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u/LurchigeLurchin 16h ago
Oliver Kahn handed him this note. It's part of the DFB Museum too, If i am remembering this right.
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u/Juttaisvadsig 19h ago
I bet it also helps with getting stunlocked of having to choose in the moment where you are going to dive.
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u/Background_Product_7 18h ago
If you ever watch baseball, College or Pro, you can see the players look at a sheet, which I assume has info on the batter, where is balls teams to drop, etc, so they know to be ready for this guy or that
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u/YetiGuy 1d ago
Yes. Became controversial recently when one of the opposing team try to take away Moroccan (?) goalkeeper’s water bottle - I think last year.
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u/Sir-Kyle-Of-Reddit 23h ago
NPR’s Planet Money podcast just had an episode on the origin of this practice. Pretty interesting. https://www.npr.org/2026/07/03/nx-s1-5879357/world-cup-penalty-kick-game-theory
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u/RuMarley 1d ago
It's common, but I've never heard about it being taped to a water bottle.
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u/Chemistry-Deep 1d ago
Really? The England ladies keeper picked up her opposite number's and threw it into the fans so she couldn't use it.
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u/toooft 23h ago
That actually sounds like something an English player would do, how sportsmanlike
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u/NecroDeity 19h ago
Ssshhhh don't you know unsportsmanlike behaviour is the monopoly of Argentines?
Surely it was an Argentine player, you must be misremembering
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u/Acceptable_Lark 23h ago
who publicized this? now spain has it lol
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u/Inchtabokatables 23h ago
Pretty sure that the Spanish National Team also has some data analyst employed
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u/reddorickt 18h ago
Also the data cannot be trusted because Argentina knows you have it so it's essentially worthless, especially in the next game they play.
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u/Patient-Promotion196 20h ago
I like how all the research on Almada boils down to "just do a vibe check".
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u/soypepito 7h ago
To be honest, I though it was going to be a handwritten tiny list, but that looks very professional
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u/nucl3ar0ne 1d ago
Very common to have this info somewhere, just interesting for the opposing team to actually see it.
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u/Crafty-Teach2389 21h ago
They all probably have their data somewhere at the club level as well, it's not just national level. They are all mercenaries.
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u/Vast_Dig_4601 18h ago
They absolutely have this at the top club levels lol top level club soccer absolutely dwarfs fifa in terms of money
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u/Sara_W 22h ago
Imagine it's a trick and he wants them to see it
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u/Chappelow 22h ago
This was after Argentina had already won. Pickford will have just left the bottle in goal after leaving the pitch.
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u/Ok-Suggestion-7965 23h ago
“But i know he knows that I know but he knows that I knows that he know that I know, so I’m going to do the opposite of that. “
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u/Dantzig 23h ago
Game theory.
Thus exact phenomenon was on the NPR Planet money recently
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u/NoThatLame 1d ago
I feel like this would get in Argentina's mind to mix it up next attempt.
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u/Usual-Computer-5462 19h ago
This was after the match, Argentina had already won and Pickford likely just forgot to take the bottle with him.
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u/zambaccian 19h ago
Wouldn’t they already anticipate this information bottle or not bottle, and know what the opposing research would yield if they’re doing their own?
I don’t understand the levels of game theory to this
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u/gocard 21h ago
Now he can do the opposite. Except now they know he's going to do the opposite, so they'll adjust for that. But he knows they know he's going to do the opposite, so he'll...
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u/reddorickt 18h ago
Messi will just do exactly what it says on the bottle and still score
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u/PowerfulRaisin 20h ago
Earlier in the tournament we saw one of the teams (was it Egypt?) huddled reviewing opponent's PK footage on a laptop after the second overtime ended in a tie. Makes sense to have a cheat sheet. Detail on there is impressive.
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u/creativebic 18h ago
Same concept but I think they were doing a quick film session on the opposing goalie.
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u/IamJohnnyHotPants 1d ago
What am I looking for on his face?
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u/jumpinjahosafa 21h ago
This comment is so funny to me because I find Messi to be one of the most unreadable people in the limelight right now. Dude is robotic.
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u/Soldieroftru 1d ago
Its like they discovered how to read
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u/NecroDeity 19h ago
They are reading a second language, which is more than what I can hope from most English or Americans
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u/TemporaryCamera8818 21h ago
Messi: Right translates to derecho in Spanish
Gonzalez: So you’re saying derecho translates to straight in English?
Messi: Yes, but derecho also translates to right
Gonzalez: So right means straight on the bottle?
Messi: 😶
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u/addiktion 21h ago
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u/flatzfishinG90 19h ago
Reactions seem like he had his notes dialed in. Second guy thanking God he didn't have to face that challenge lol.
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u/genocideofnoobs 19h ago
I played D1 football, and against one of our rivals we purposely left a fake call sheet on their field during warmups the day before. I wonder if that's what happened here.
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u/WhyKissAMasochist 23h ago
Lmao a few guys are definitely relieved it didn’t go to a shootout. That’s funny.
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u/rawbert10 23h ago
This is very common in football it became a thing in the 90s and then gained more popularity in the 2000s. But it's cool to see players reacting to what the keeper had put.
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u/JinKazamaru 22h ago
there is nothing illegal about this I would think, it's just notes based on film and patterns
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u/VacantMalteser 19h ago
Imagine they left it on purpose for Argentina and that everything was opposite
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u/LevelHighway8146 15h ago
Messi’s face always looks like he’s just understood something for the first time
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u/punkslaot 1d ago
How'd they "find" it?
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u/Longjumping_Ad_7484 21h ago
Pickford intentionally left this decoy bottle with bad information. He's setting up the 2030 England win.
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u/WhyKissAMasochist 23h ago edited 22h ago
On the main thread people were saying keeper left it by the goal after the game. Which, if that’s the case, fair enough!
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u/Brief-Equal4676 23h ago
Surprise, it's the decoy bottle left there on purpose! He was planning on doing the opposite!
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u/Persistence6 22h ago
Are people this dumb? National teams and clubs have been doing this since like 2008
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u/winlowbung4 22h ago
The question is, is this the real bottle, or the bottle used to spread false info to the other team on purpose
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u/CodeMonkeyX 22h ago
Why are they shocked? I would be shocked if their keeper was dumb enough to not research trends for the penalty takers before hand. This has been a thing for many years now.
Maybe the only difference is it looks like Pickford planned out his exact routine for each taker. That's about it.
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u/Legitimate_Cut_6254 21h ago
I was an amateur athlete into my mid thirties and we had sheets for all the teams we played going into tournament weekends. Most of the time we had enough connections and history we had practices designated to each team we'd likely face going into the weekend.
We knew the cutting patterns, dump routines, handler weaves, throwing preferences (forehand backhand), the thrower/receiver connections (which throwers liked to go deep with certain receivers). The end zone plays they had and how to defend them.
We'd call defenses depending on who had the disc and who was on the field. It's pretty average stuff honestly.
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u/ionertia 21h ago
Its information they already knew. I assume all major sports teams have reverse coordinators.
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u/Mental_Attorney_787 21h ago
This is like after war, the winning side rummaging through the losers shit 🙌🏾👍🏾
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u/arrogantmonkey 21h ago
I wonder how aware they are of their own tendencies? Like maybe some of the actually learned something about what they were doing. Like Messi is "wait everybody knows i do that?"
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u/Competitive_Host_432 21h ago
God how can you play at the top level of scientists and not know there is countless researchers and data scientists who study this shit for exactlythese moments?
A friend of mine does it for a league one club. Provides key stats on every opponent player in every squad.. down to the likelihood of each winger cutting inside versus going on the outside.
Utterly mad that Messi would be shocked that Pickford had accurate information on penalty taking for some of the highest profile players in the world.
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u/Suspicious-V3rbatim 20h ago
I dont follow soccer but is this illegal? I dont see anything wrong with it. 🤷♂️
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u/Sleeping_Blade 19h ago
Nono it is clearly legal, all the teams do it. This time was "funny" the fact Pickford left the water bottle on the field at the end of the game and nothing much
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u/WOAHdude0197 20h ago
I wonder if this would mess with the keepers mind. Like they saw it so they’ll probably do something different, or will they?
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u/Floofaramamama 19h ago
Spain, study them and do the opposite of what they usually do. They will practice other ways to do their penalties lol
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u/henkdevries365 18h ago
You'd need at least 100 water bottles to keep track of all the Argentinian fouls.
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u/Odd-Independent4640 18h ago
I assume this is like what tom Brady’s wristband looked like - not his own plays bc those were burned on his brain, but all the defensive tendencies of the Chiefs
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u/Embarrassed_Art5414 18h ago
The back of Pickford's gloves said "don't let in any goals"
His boots just had an "L" and an "R"
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u/Background_Product_7 18h ago
It’s not that much data to crunch. How many PKs does a player kick on average, not counting Renaldo?
If front offices are crunching data on millions of pitches a year, PKs is a light afternoon.
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u/rocketmn69_ 18h ago
Why are they touching the other teams equipment? That should be a rule violation or something
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u/TheSocialDemocrat 17h ago
I have wondered if the fact this got leaked out would be in their heads at all in a potential final shootout.
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u/darlingbunnykinss 12h ago
Kinda strange of them to be poking around England’s side and looting their belongings …
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u/boomslung1 12h ago
Jordan Pickford, the Everton keeper that has won fuck all his entire career at club level trying to outfox the world champions.
Tuchel picked this guy over hendo.
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u/Agreeable_Mud_8338 6h ago
if it wasnt for the english goal keeper the score would have been much higher...they played like pussies and it didnt work out.....
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u/someonefromaustralia 1h ago
Plot twist - the keeper had two water bottles: one to leave if they lost,that would give false information to disadvantage Argentina in the GF
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u/newrez88 33m ago
I feel like people who are surprised at Pickford having this on his water bottle are new football fans. This is done by nearly all keepers in very important matches, for a long time, too.




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