r/sports • u/cashew_231 • 3h ago
Soccer What are your thoughts tho.
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u/Geezso 3h ago
Golden boot is up for grabs.
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u/kraigka212 3h ago
And the FIFA Peace Prize too
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u/FingerGungHo 2h ago
Trump grabs it by the Mbussy
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u/Geezso 1h ago
Is he the French forward?
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u/Sir_Boldrat 48m ago
He's a little more than just a forward, his full position is His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal, Kylian Mbappe, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fish of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and France in Particular
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u/LovecraftsDeath 3h ago
But both teams had already been booted.
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u/Geezso 3h ago
Correct but FIFA have derived that goals scored in the 3rd place game will count toward the tournament totals fornthe golden ball/ shoe.
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u/Re6er 3h ago
Why wouldn’t it count ?
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u/ThisIsAitch 3h ago
It obviously should, but it's just a weird match to have at all. Why not have all the quarter final losers play their version of it to get a 5th-8th place and allow them to complete for the Golden Boot.
I get that it's for a 'Bronze Medal', but who really cares - this isn't the Olympics where people are genuinely aiming for a medal. World Cups and major tournaments are all about 'winner takes it all'.
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u/AdFluffy9286 2h ago
Let's be honest. This is just another match for FIFA to make extra money. If Infantino follows Reddit, I'm sure he'll steal your quarterfinals idea.
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u/Tennist4ts 2h ago
I mean, sure, it's more profit for them, but just go clarify: in this case it's not something they just came up with recently. They've been having the match for third place since the 50s
In fact, Just Fontaine took the record for most world cup goals when he scored 4 in the match for third place. Maybe Mbappe can also take the record in the same match
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u/Setisthename 1h ago
*Since 1934; they only skipped it in 1950 because they used a round-robin system that year instead of knockouts.
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u/woeful_haichi 1h ago
He doesn't even need to follow Reddit; Infantino could just take the idea from the Homeless World Cup, which has a 'winners' and 'losers' bracket after the group stage to determine a full ranking of teams.
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u/Yossarian1507 2h ago
Tell that to Croatia in 1998, or Turkey in 2002. They cared a lot, definitely seemed so when they celebrated. Bronze medals in 1974 and 1982 are remebered and cherished to this day in my country (Poland).
This is why I was bummed that neither Norway nor Switzerland made it past the quarters. We would have either huge underdog for the final or team that would care for a bronze medal game.
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u/ThisIsAitch 2h ago
That's a fair point, I guess I'm only thinking from a anglo-centric perspective.
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u/Phenetylamine 1h ago
Or Sweden in 1994 lol we still talk about that
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u/woeful_haichi 1h ago
Great performance by Sweden that year. I remember Ravelli and Dahlin in particular being quite impressive.
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u/Aggressive_Gear_7425 1h ago
Yeah but between England and France it's not. Congrats you are 3rd in the world.. we know
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u/Yossarian1507 1h ago
Yeah, but this chain is about if it's a "weird game to have", as stated above. It's not weird. It's very important game, with plenty of historical evidence for that, and it doesn't change because this time both teams can't be bothered.
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u/CroGamer002 2h ago
Pretty much vast majority of teams that regularly qualify to the world cup would care and had cared for winning 3rd place.
It's only a few top teams that are frankly sore losers that weren't good enough for the final that behave like this. Quite frankly it's insulting attitude and us unwarranted.
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u/EduinBrutus 43m ago
Lots of sports do have small finals and "plate" competitions to rank teams or individual to every level.
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u/TheMeIv 1h ago
I'm no expert but some of the arguments that I've seen or assumed people are thinking about probably go something like this: It's not a double elimination tournament. There's no other games for 5th, 7th etc... place. The game technically doesn't need to exist. They've already been eliminated. It's not fair that the other teams Spain and Argentina defeated on the way to the championship don't get another extra game to pad stats.
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u/vivi8392 2h ago
That's for best scorer ?
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u/ThisIsAitch 2h ago
Yes, highest goal scorer.
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u/vivi8392 2h ago
Thanks ! I read somewhere that France and England shoudl agree to let Kane and Mbappe score like 5 times each to prevent Messi from getting it. Ik it's a joke but that would be soooo fun
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u/argognat 3h ago
Make it interesting. Thunderdome rules. Two teams enter, one team leaves.
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u/americangame 50m ago
Isn't that already the plan or are you talking about bringing back the American revolution?
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u/Finchypoo 3h ago
They should just let each other score over and over again. Tie it up at 30 to 30, pad their stats like crazy and deny Messi any records and have a beer together afterwards.
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u/Flyboy2020 3h ago
That would actually be hilarious
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u/noced 2h ago
Why wait until afterwards, have some beers during
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u/filthy-_-casual 2h ago
There's already hydration breaks afterall, it just makes so much sense
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u/Santikarlo 2h ago
I would def would grab a beer during hydration break if I was playing for a 3rd place in a WC
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u/Pristine-Hair4096 1h ago
That’s a dramatization but describes the problem of this game… no one gives a shit about the outcome. So either team can play for their guy like he’s Bam Adebayou of the heat getting 81 pts when his team was trying to help him top Kobe. Whereas Messi is playing to win the game which may mean 2 or 3 assists like last game. Not really fair and more reason the game is stoopit.
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u/JordinThreethree 1h ago
This is a non-issue. The third place game has been a thing for every edition of the World Cup except the very first one. Although teams and players obviously don't give it the same importance as the Final, they still play it with the same integrity and competitiveness of an International friendly game at minimum.
This theory that the players will see this game as a joke and will play Harlem Globetrotters style to pad their stats has no basis or precedent. These guys have too much pride
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u/Clipper789 34m ago
You say that no one gives a shit, but I was camping at the site for the French Grand Prix in 1990 when Italy won the third place match against England. The Italians went nuts and were driving around the campsite all night long hanging out of the window, waving their flags and beeping their horns like they had won the damn final.
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u/Competitive_Speed964 1h ago
Infantino would call in a tactical strike of 4-5 red cards to take the wind out of their sails.
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u/Bisquare_cycle_thing 2h ago
3rd place game playoff situation is interesting.
This edition it feels pointless, but it is because of nations involved setting themselves high goals (for a good reason).
Sentiment that we should get rid of it is wrong though. This game mattered for at least one nation involved in it since at least 1994, apart from maybe 2006.
This year is not usual level of importance for 3rd place game, but rather an exception.
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u/LeaveMeBeWillYa 1h ago
Sentiment that we should get rid of it is wrong though. This game mattered for at least one nation involved in it since at least 1994, apart from maybe 2006.
Absolutely agreed.
Calls to get rid of it because the two teams in it had high expectations and got disappointed is frankly childish.
Imagine if Cabo Verde got that far? They be'd killing for this chance. At the last World Cup, folk were hoping that Morocco would get the third place spot after they lost their semi.
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u/broterp 1h ago
Realistically, it’s just for money purposes. 1 more game = more ads/sponsor time
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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 1h ago
No, because its been there since forever.
People have been playing for third prize since before ads were invented.
For some fucking reason though, people today have this backwards ass idea that only first place matters.
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u/fluffysmaugg 2h ago
This game will actually determine who has the majority fishing rights in the English Channel.
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u/MethBearBestBear 1h ago
It is actually written in ancient law that whenever the two shall meet for Battle the winner gets to name the channel. This counts as a country battle so France could pull a Trump and rename it the Fence Waterway
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u/Frere-Jacques 52m ago
Never understood this despite living in England forever - no one in England eats seafood?? The fishing rights are pointless
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u/fluffysmaugg 33m ago
Pretty sure cod/haddock is seafood. There, I rest my chips.
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u/Frere-Jacques 16m ago
If you look at the data of how much seafood french people eat compared to English, you'll see it's really a waste for the UK to keep the fishing rights. Now you could make an environmental case for protecting the waters from fishing, but I literally never heard this during the entire Brexit process
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u/SnooHabits3457 2h ago
They should make the winner of 3rd auto qualify for next World Cup that’ll put some chili on their dicks
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u/sinocarD44 2h ago
"Put some chili on their dicks" is something I will purposely work into a conversation as soon as possible.
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u/ReserveFormal3910 1h ago
Whoever wins does get an extra 2M added to their total revenue for the WC and it affects the team seeding going into the next WC. I think there are some other incentives that should make this game a little competitive.
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u/send420nudes Porto 3h ago
Should be treated like the NBA all stars game, full offense no defense, final score 11-16 or something like that
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u/Nahcep 2h ago
England have a shot at the second WC medal in their entire history, they shouldn't be picky about it. It's different for football giants like France, which has more medals of each colour than England does in total
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u/Fast_Running_Nephew 1h ago
Nobody in that team or country considers third place a world cup medal, whether one physically exists or not.
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u/LocoRocoo 3h ago
No one remembers the 3rd-place playoff.
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u/Beel2eboob 2h ago
Belgium-England 2-0 I remember like it was yesterday.
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u/Tennist4ts 2h ago
And 2002 Turkey won against South Korea after scoring the first goal after like 11 seconds.
2006 Germany defeat Portugal with 3 goals form Schweinsteiger form outside the box (ok, one was an own goal because it got deflected) to finish their home tournament on a good note.
2010 again Germany taking third place, defeating Uruguay, I think 4:2
2014 Netherlands 3:0 Brazil, meaning Brazil went 1:10 against Germanic countries in the last two matches.
2022 Croatia won against Morocco. Don't remember the score
For older tournaments I may have to look them up
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u/donglover2020 2h ago
absolutely wrong. everyone remembers 3rd place belgium at the 2018 world cup
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u/polikuji09 1h ago
I think it's still a bit deal for smaller teams that made it that far into the cup, to those teams saying they got third is special.
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u/Alarming_Parsnip408 2h ago
People should be proud their national team gets 3d. You are 3d of the world... No matter the rank of team, and its a knockout tournament where anything can happen.
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u/Aromatic_Tip8866 1h ago edited 58m ago
It will be a competitive game; a good chance to avenge themselves partiallly.
Deschamp’s last game, England’s chance to win World Cup silverware, golden boot race, an innate competitiveness ensure we have a banger in our hands.
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u/emergencyexit 1h ago
Yea, terribly hyped games are often hidden gems. The final will probably be decided by pens, might as well tune in a couple hours after kick off
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u/Aromatic_Tip8866 59m ago
yeah high stake games at times gets either too risky averse or one-sided.
This might unironically deliver. Will be tuning in either way
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u/brianmmf 3h ago
Only thing wrong here is Pickford. He’d be the fastest minion by far but never standing in the centre of the goal.
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u/Budget-Yak-5271 2h ago
This is as arrogant as it can get, Pickford was the only english player who carried England and didn’t let them lose like 4-1, because the whole english team seemed like they were asking exactly for that result.
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u/brianmmf 1h ago
Ah it’s just a bit of a laugh. He’s a great shot stopper but he’s over aggressive sometimes. Some excellent goal line stops but tbf he was out of position on the 1st goal (off angle, strike was beautiful but it wasn’t in the corner by any means) and on the 2nd goal he was in a tough position where he maybe overcommitted on Messi’s cross coming in low enough that he could intercept it, and when it cleared his head he was in deep trouble. He also loves a bit of a moment with the ball at his feet.
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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 1h ago
Last time England got a medal in the world cup was 1966.
One would think that getting a bronze medal would be something they want to fight for.
Imagine being the first English team in 60 years to get a prize.
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u/HST87 3h ago
Bit of both. By the time the third place game rolls around there's enough of a regroup to make it competitive. At this level it's a big deal for any country's association to get the bronze I'd say, big difference between bronze and nothing.
Having said that, both sides have some of the biggest players in the world who just want a holiday at this point so you never really know, but it can definitely be a hugely competative game.
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u/MadBullBen 1h ago
If it was a smaller nation I would agree with you and the reason why it shouldn't ever be removed, but I feel that the players and both fan groups have got to this stage so many times that the mentality is winning it all or losing, especially with how both teams got knocked out.
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u/fuiripe 1h ago
4th place is the biggest bucket of cold water 🥀
You win your way... all the way to the semi finals.
World Cup trophy looks so close...
Then you get your first loss.
Dreams broken.
Then a second loss to rub the wound with salt 💀
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u/Bootyytoob 32m ago
All the more reason why despite players saying they don’t care, they will fight like hell to avoid 4th
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u/Andybabez20 3h ago
Pretty much. It's a chance for Mbappe, Kane, Bellingham to stake a claim for the golden boot but that's it
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u/imdibene 3h ago
This game should disappear in my opinion, it adds nothing the the tournament and nobody gives af about it just after you lose your opportunity to make it to the final
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u/Militantxyz 2h ago
Us Croatians really cherish both of the 3rd place medals and we had really tough games for both.
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u/Tackit286 2h ago
I take it this is just americans finding out for the first time that this game exists?
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u/filthy-_-casual 1h ago
Which is weird consideing England hasn't won anything in decades, this would be their best finish since winning it back in the 60s I believe, yet somehow all the media has written it off as pointless friendly. It would make much more since for France since they've consistently done very well at WC compared to England
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u/Bootyytoob 26m ago
It’s the Brit’s coping for their likely incoming THIRD fourth place loss to tie Uruguay’s record for fourth place
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u/General-Internal-588 1h ago
My thought is that France and England will somehow be a more interesting match
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u/NoAppointment8679 1h ago
I hope England try and go out with some kind of pride, TT saying nobody cares about the match which I kind of get, at this point they probably just want to go home and lick their wounds. But if that was me I think I’d want to prove something to the world (and fucking Argentina) that we deserved to get where we did by being a good team.
Edit - kind of worried France is going to wipe the floor with us 😆
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u/Inside_Performance32 1h ago
I honestly think they should both let kane and M score lots of goals each .
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u/Both-Huckleberry3482 1h ago
After Tuchel's comments, it seems this is the mood of the English team. They seem demoralized. There was a glimmer of hope of winning, but now they must feel they've let the English people down, and on top of that, they lost to Argentina. I don't know about France, though
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u/Leglesslonglegs 45m ago
They and Tuchel have. Not because they lost but because after trying their best for 55 minutes they decided to stop playing the game, and instead of playing to win, they started playing to not lose (or even more stupidly considering the track record of the other side other side, they started effectively playing to lose). Ontop of that, we have seen England lose this way multiple times in the past few years alone, AND they didn't even do the "park the bus" well, at least vs italy they held on for 80 minutes giving away only one goal.
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u/sinfulfng 1h ago
If they don’t want to play it, I’m sure there are several other teams that would hop on a flight to compete for third and fourth place
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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 1h ago
My thought is that anyone who says playing for 3rd or 4th place doesnt matter is an asshole.
If someone says "2nd place is just first loser" is automatically branded an asshole by me. Its a toxic mentality that has to stop.
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u/LessInThought 1h ago
Are you kidding? The French and The English always wanted a fight, this is just another excuse.
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u/thaprizza 1h ago
It’s part of the tournament same as penalty shootouts. Both things I am not a fan of but it is what it is. Don’t like it? Then don’t watch it. Obviously I understand the players are not excited because both countries were possible finalists. If one of them would have been a surprise/dark horse they would take the opportunity to leave the World Cup the best way possible. France and England can field their reserves, no rules against that.
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u/QuirkyWish3081 1h ago edited 16m ago
I won’t be watching. I will look at score later and go, oh. Anyway.
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u/Listen2theyetti 57m ago
They should put in thier back up goalies and just let every player from each team score. End the game in like a 16-16 tie after subs
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u/tzimisce 53m ago
This will be the only football match played on Sunday, the other is a murderball match where Argentina will suffer no penalties. Maybe they'll kill someone this time with the punch to the back of the head.
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u/Ardbeg66 39m ago
Make it a D-league match. Let young dudes who want to show off to the world play. They'll make it fun.
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u/Professional_War7998 3h ago
lets be honest no one remembers 3rd place unless its a smaller country, might as well field the bench and reserves
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u/Youareaproperclown 3h ago
I guess we will never know as why would anyone tune in to watch that shite on a Saturday night.
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u/daventria 2h ago
The 3rd place-game in football makes no sense at all. Maybe during the olympics (although i think football should never be considered as an olympic sport). Nobody gives a **** about the 3rd place. Like tennis; a 3rd place game during wimbledon? Horror.
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u/Ok-Hour-472 3h ago
Mbappe and Kane both could win the golden boot. Both team should just field 11 attackers