Until it is proven wrong, I personally tend to believe the theory that we have seen the true ending, albeit rushed, and as we know it, it's shite, and that caused the said author to have forever writers block cos he genuinely didn't know where to take the story to, since the ending he intended was not well received in the form of visual media.
Considering how confident he was in delivering Winds 7 years ago makes it all but confirmed.
I wager that is the reason he hasn't shit-talked Benioff and Weiss but actively went against Condal and Hess for House of the Dragon. Those two morons actually did adapt his story as he told them and he couldn't really blame them for his own shortcomings.
People say that Bran becoming king and all makes sense and, sure, I guess it does, but it's also just fucking stupid. It feels like a feel good story about a Super Special Chosen One rather than Ice & Fire.
It doesn't make sense though. The kingdom that just became independent gets 2 votes while everyone else gets 1. Then to the surprise of no one they choose one of their own to be the ruler of all the other kingdoms. Why did anyone agree to that? Especially the Iron Islands who fought in the war in order to become independent as well.
I swear when Sam suggested democracy and everyone laughed, I expected him to turn to the camera, shrug, and this to play. That whole thing was so weird.
I think thats so valid in the ending tho, but typical of the show its just a 3 second clip you forget instead of something you sit with.
Like after all this, the game of thrones, the coming together to overcome this looming existential threat, only for the immediate aftermath to devolve back into another game of thrones when theyre on the precipice of solving everything and advancing as a society. Thats a very ASOIAF ending set piece. I like it better the more unsatisfied all the kingdoms are with bran ruling, if its pitched as a "good end" then i agree thats stupid tho.
The way there might be different but iam sure the end goal is the same. Bran on the throne. He is the first POV in the book, GRRMs says its his favorite character. He will be king.
Bran becoming King shits on the entire plot. It is such a bad ending. Maybe the worst outcome imaginable. If you really think about it, it only gets worse.
It makes sense for the character, but what is the message it delivers as the ending of the story? Some pseudo-omniscient jerk achieved the goal of ruling some shitty corner of the world by using magic? The whole long winter thing and white walkers was just kind of a side plot to Bloodraven getting the throne?
In the show it was played off as something hopeful and that his wisdom would let him lead, but if it's Bloodraven it feels more like the God Emperor of Dune type scenario to me, but without even the benefit of the Golden Path existing. Just the world being a shitty wheel that keeps turning.
Just the world being a shitty wheel that keeps turning.
I think thats a very on theme ending tho. Everything with dani didnt work, nobody can stop "the wheel", in fact "the wheel" is broader in scope than dani ever couldve imagined and her winning wouldve been just the same, the inevitable looming threat in fact was not the obvious external threat but the cold uncaring inevitability of politicing and its consequences.
I think it works if you imagine the white walkers having a different, more impactful ending.
He's ALWAYS faked confidence. His not-a-blog has 20 years of the same bullshit lol "I spent a good 40 hours this weekend, the next book will DEFINITELY be in my editor's hands within a month, if not you have my permission to lock me in a dungeon with a typewriter", 5 years before the actual book release lol.
I personally don't think GRRM had an ending in mind for his books like other fans believe. He wrote himself in a corner by the fourth book and was probably overwhelmed. When the show was coming to a close, he probably saw it as an opportunity to get out of a funk by giving ideas to possible endings to D&D and D&D wrote in their own version.
I tend to believe personally that GRRM was going to use the final season D&D wrote as a sudo-guideline to his own ending, but when the show was badgered by fans, he decided to scrap the last two books completely and lost interest in doing anything more outside of the side projects.
Supposedly he submitted like a 2K page manuscript about 2 years ago, I think even confirmed supposedly by YT people, but I don't think he has actually looked at it since and possibly just words on paper. I don't think he plans to ever go back to it at all.
I think having Bran turn away from his super special inhuman destiny, remembering that "the lone wolf expires but the pack survives" and reuniting and working together with his siblings, could make a decent ending. Though I probably wouldn't have picked him as the king - I think Jon or Sansa would be much more better.
The true ending would be fine In the books. you clearly see danyearys or however you spell her name going crazier and crazier. With her having plenty of mad king moments that were never included in the show. It's why he going crazy is so left field in the show. They didn't include any of her crazy moments and painted her as a good leader
I think the seeding was definitely there in the shows. The gloss of everything she does being "good ruler" is in fact kind of the point, meanwhile characters by her side are pointing out how questionable her choices are and how shes losing her magnanimous edge. It did however feel like 70% buildup with the last 30% skipped over and rushed
It did however feel like 70% buildup with the last 30% skipped over and rushed
Agree, and I suspect that this is a problem for the source material as well. I've seen some people claim that Dany going "Mad Queen" would make more sense in the books because there's more room to develop that twist... except we are at book 5 of 7 now, meaning that book Daenerys as we've seen her up to now is in fact also at 70% of her total development.
If Martin intends to have Dany nuke a city (and I doubt Benioff and Weiss came up with that all by themselves), I predict that he will similarly have to rush through the remaining character development in the 30% of Dany chapters remaining to him...
Didn't he give them a rough outline of all the story beats? I'm sure they may have cut a few corners or merged a few storylines, but I feel like the events on the show that occur after they ran out of book material are probably more or less what was planned for the novels.
I’ve never been able to understand this theory at all. The books have so many differences from the show from the first, and they were diverging long before the show ran out of source material to adapt. It really doesn’t make any sense that the ending would look at all the same, even if the same key events happen. I think almost any other theory is more likely.
None of the things that happen in the late seasons of Game of Thrones are like "the reason" the ending isn't good. Each of the big points could work out well, and we know that many of the flaws of the show would be fixed almost automatically.
Except there's nothing wrong with the story beats Benioff and Weiss had to work with. They'd make perfect sense if they were written properly. But while Benioff and Weiss are excellent at adapting existing material, they're shit writers who completely botched the stuff between the story beats. The entire last 3.5 seasons (and especially the last 2) would've been as good as the first 4.5, if only they'd been written better.
It was the true ending, HBO writers had been informed in case GRRM died. The thing is they had to plan how to and to do it in 4 seasons what they did in 2, so rushed
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u/ratchetcoutoure 6h ago
Until it is proven wrong, I personally tend to believe the theory that we have seen the true ending, albeit rushed, and as we know it, it's shite, and that caused the said author to have forever writers block cos he genuinely didn't know where to take the story to, since the ending he intended was not well received in the form of visual media.