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u/Pizzamess 21h ago
Being hated is not the same thing as rage baiting people
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u/PieAppropriate8862 18h ago
And Argentineans are so arrogant that they think the world hates them because they are great, when in fact the whole world hates them because they are arrogant racists.
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u/InspectorOdd3123 18h ago
Argentinian here, football doesn't speak for the 45 million of us living here, you're purposefully picking the bad apples you may see on football matches
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u/Diamondhandd 16h ago
Nothing better than calling arrogant and racists an entire country. I truly wonder how that's called...
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u/redd_dayspring 13h ago
Funny how Egypt and Iran tried to stop LGBT but somehow Argentina is the most problematic team of the Cup
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u/Kedem7 18h ago
Don't worry it's racism towards white people so it's no biggy.
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u/RobbinDeBank 17h ago
The so called anti-racism crowd just look at any video of Argentinians fans or players just existing and immediately screaming insults. They literally cannot see the problem in that behavior. Meanwhile, Jude Bellingham assaulted a player after the match and got justified because heâs some honorable European man instead of the racist horrible Argentinian.
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u/VrilloPurpura 17h ago
Surely, Argentina is racist. A coutry that has never had segregation, gives free, good, universal healthcare and education on all levels to literally everyone who wants it and by all means is a considerably progressive country.
Out of the Top 4 of the WC, three are european colonizers and for some reason people pick the only latino country to call it racist. Which I find quite funny when you consider the others have people alive whom have seen human zoos, or whose watermark is on five different flags.
I would go as far as to say there's not a single chance Argentina is more racist than most of the countries the people calling them racist are from are.
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u/Wavy_Grandpa 14h ago
Great comment. If these people were capable of rational thought they would feel very owned reading thisÂ
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u/mars-jupiter 13h ago
I mean, most people know nothing of things like the SelkÊŒnam genocide so it's difficult for them to compare Argentina to France, England, or Spain when their atrocities are much more well known. All the majority of people who say Argentina is racist understand is the racist songs and behaviour from some of their fans and players, whereas they know of plenty of historical events to use for European colonisers
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u/romang12 17h ago
Reddit is not the whole world. Whole world doesn't hate Argentina, you do.
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u/Outrageous-Pea6408 18h ago
Oh really?
Well french people all stink because they don't shower, Italians are pretentious freaks, Spaniards are all white supremacists, Japanese people are racist, indians are scammers
You see how fucking easy it is to slap a label on any group of people
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u/Hyrule_MyBoy 17h ago
All I know is Naples people love Argentina and Maradona more than their country and they would be so hurt to hear you say that lol
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u/Unable-Wait4121 18h ago
Argentinian here, as the guy above said, you are spreading hate talking like that about us... we are not all arrogant nor racists, trust me, if we were racist, we wouldnt allow anyone else enter argentina.... we have a say here/also a law in the constitution "a country for all and everyone to enter" if you with your racist says want to enter argentina, you are welcome, we dont need to test you or event take money away from you to stay. come here, stay, have a good time and leave or not if you want... also im a teacher and and teach a lot of asian/N.american/european kids, they are so nice to deal with.
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u/willymartin99 11h ago
Amigo caminas en la calle y la gente usa el nombre de los paĂses limitrofes como insulto diariamente. Un pueblo que no es racista no usa el nombre de otro pais como insulto. Estoy de acuerdo que no todos somos racistas y arrogantes, pero la mayoria si y somos tan cabeza dura que no nos lo admitimos y saltamos a la defensiva cuando lo mencionan pero en parte tienen razon y hay que tener la honestidad para admitirlo
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u/Johnny_Deppthcharge 14h ago
Aussie here - as an outside observer apparently the only people everyone is allowed to stereotype and abuse are you Argies.
All the Europeans are being fuckwits because you beat England, all the Middle Eastern and African folks are salty because you beat Egypt.
Let them cry mate, you guys are fine.
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u/MajorNefariousness88 14h ago
You're going around everywhere in reddit talking trash about argentina. I don't get it
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u/Necrogomicon 19h ago
Anulo mufa
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u/GB_Alph4 21h ago
Me: May the best team win honestly I donât really care if itâs Spain or Argentina besides we should have had the Finalissma
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u/Ornery_Tie_4771 18h ago
Liking football is way better when you dont care about the fans
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u/SgtHugoStiglyts 17h ago
Anything is way better when you don't interact with the "fan" base or even better no internet at all cause irl nobody would have the balls to say 99.99% of the things they say online and it tells.
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u/Shift642 20h ago
I really wanted a rematch with England, just to put them in the fucking ground again like Euro 24.
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u/Blueberry784 17h ago
Iâm sure there are racists in Argentina, but Iâve never personally experienced racism from any Argentines. Itâs always people from other Latin American countries who say the most heinous racist things to me once they find out I support Argentina. This is hilarious đ.
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u/mEDWARDetector 17h ago
Same! Iâm married to an Argentine and have never witnessed racism from them. They are so nice and welcoming. I have surprisingly never witnessed true hatred based racism though until Iâve seen how some other people will treat my inlaws like garbage for absolutely no reason. Simply ordering food at a restaurant and the waitress is being extremely rude to them. Talking crap on them to the other workers while pointing at our table, then coming back and being rude to us again and immediately being nice to the table next to us. It was disgusting. I was shocked.
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u/Optimizer_99 21h ago
the way the entire football world is collectively crashing out while they just vibe their way into another final is hilarious đ
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u/Coycington 6h ago
"the entire football world"... don't be ridiculous. not enough people care about this world cup that is evidently already looking like it's teeming with corruption. balogun, the paraguy/france game. basically every argentina game where the referee does what messi tells them to do... it's super weird.
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u/Pterocacti 18h ago
sports fans acting like sports fans being recast as "crashing out" and a team winning games being recast as "ragebaiting" is all incredibly stupid internet brained shit
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u/dzan796ero 19h ago
It's so much funnier because they always concede and then flip it in the last minutes. They are playing a masterclass against hate watchers
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u/BagManDo 21h ago
Im loving it. The mental gymnastics, the conspiracy theories all of it. Put it right in my veins.
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u/JedPB67-2 16h ago
Tbf itâs going to be hard for any team to beat Argentina when theyâre playing with with a squad of 15 out there lol
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u/cross2201 19h ago
We achieved world peace, everyone in the world is united in our hate. So you're welcome
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u/Most_Caterpillar_242 19h ago
Why the hate tho?
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u/cross2201 18h ago
Honestly no clue, they hate us because they ain't us I suppose
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u/Commander-ShepardN7 18h ago
les duele que un paĂs latinoamericano sea potencia en algo, que seamos los mejores y que no agachamos la cabeza. Vivi en Europa, los forros se creen mejores solamente por ser europeos. no son mejores, la tuvieron muchĂsimo mĂĄs fĂĄcil nomĂĄs. te lo digo como ingeniero, laburando en paĂses bajos tuve q lidiar con cada pajero que decĂs "no entiendo cĂłmo te recibiste"
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u/MelaniaSexLife 12h ago
winners always get hate; on every single thing, media, sports, politics, etc.
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u/Ramdak 16h ago
I see that as a thing that's coming from last world cup, where the "racism" train erupted because the guys (players) chanted what's considered "racist" and discriminatory.
The song went two particular sentences, one saying that Mbape's girlfrend was transvestite, the other that all the France's team was from Africa.
This generated a trend in social media, mostly fueled by what can be considered Ronaldo's fans and those that couldn't stand Argentina winning the wc.
Add to that the butthurt community that called Argentina cheaters and that the wc was rigged, clearly just coming from almost everyone that didn't actually seen the matches or don't understand football.So all that has been cooking and exploded in this WC, this time there's something else, not just a viral thing, it seems orchestrated somehow.
Also few people understand the way argentina football fans are and how offensive chants are in general (because that's how they are locally). Thus tagging EVERY argentina as a racist bigot, when in reality it's not the case.
Racists slurs and racism is everywhere, that can't be denied, in every single place on earth there will be discrimination and hatred, fortunately that's a minor thing, but since everyone makes its worldview based on social media, that's how stuff is.
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u/Gomemer_40 20h ago
After all the hate argentina is recieving, all the mental gymnastics and conspiracies people are using to downplay them and all the accusations and missinformation about argentina, now I want them to win the world cup just to piss off the people
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u/Successful-Spot-6567 19h ago
Misinformation ?
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u/ParkingMuted7653 19h ago
Yes, having lived in Argentina, what I learned from this World Cup is that I'll never again believe the garbage people say about another country without firsthand experience. Never again.
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u/Most_Caterpillar_242 19h ago edited 18h ago
Yeah, i read a lot of bullshit. Like the racism thing. Of all the problems Argentina has (and there are a LOT), racism is definetly not one of them. There has been instances of racism of course but it is nothing compared to european countries or the US.
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u/NewPay4539 18h ago
I used to talk to a girl from argentina in discord. And I live in south-east asia. She was really chill and nice. So honestly I don't really believe in Argentine being racists as a whole. Maybe there are a few...but let's be honest, they are everywhere around the world xd.
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u/Most_Caterpillar_242 18h ago
I am an italian that has been living in argentina for the last 8 years. Never saw any instance of racism, quite the oppisite in fact. I have traveled enough to know that racism is everywhere, but Argentina is nowhere close to countries like italy, uk, spain, USA and so on. There is a lot of classism in Argentina tho.
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u/kuchinashi1 18h ago
I think it comes down to people here not really understanding the weight of racist remarks. We are a very casual folk and say it how we see it, e.g. call a short mate 'enano', a fat one 'gordo', a ginger 'colorado'... you get the idea. This can already be grating for people that don't know how it is over here, but its amplified when it comes to race. Because we are also pretty comfortable with the n word even if its not out of malice; there's some cases where we use it with people that are not actually black. There were also instances of people doing racism gestures and remarks (which I condone). This all comes from ignorance and not having a history of racial tension in the last 100 years. So when a citizen from a country that has been fighting against racism for years hear how casual we are with it they naturally assume a lot of things.
That said that's where our racism ends, the country historically welcomes all races, we never had segregation laws, we don't have issues with actual racial violence. Overall we still have ways to go as a nation but it's not as bad as social media thinks.
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u/Teque9 15h ago
I mean, there was a mexican fan who did a facial gesture towards a korean girl right? He lost his job, was forced to apologize etc etc. Nobody is going around saying "I hate mexico" because of that, but they enthusiastically say all argentinians are racist because of a few bad fans.
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u/account_for_norm 19h ago
Messi's presence overweighs everything.
Like, him just being out there draws 3 players to him, he doesnt even have to do anything.
At that point its just an unfair game. Its unfair if you have god playing for your team.
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u/monkeychasedweasel 16h ago
"We're up one, so let's just lay back and defend for 35 minutes. Surely Messi flooding the box with crosses won't be a problem." - Tuchel
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u/anonymi94 15h ago
I gotta tell ya, it's great being neutral in this situation.
If Argentina loses, I get to laugh at Messi and Argentina. If Argentina wins, I get to laugh at everyone else getting mad.
Doesn't matter what happens, I get to enjoy some salt.
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u/Kikavukoi 5h ago
Im not from Spain or Argentina but one team work for an idol and really try to break legs, the other one is more collective and efficient and simply play a better football
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u/hernanemartinez 1h ago
Buddy, that doesnt matters.
What matters is how the spaniards celebrated their passage to the final: None.
Look at the argentineans: they were chanting and jumping. Crying.
Spainâs team doesnt deserves the cup.
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u/Can0n_Fodder 4h ago
In fiction, we call this a retcon. You're giving the Argentinian fans credit in hindsight. They're not clever, they're not ragebaiters. They're just genuinely douchebags.
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u/Local_Village_1378 21h ago
Its great as a non sports fan cos it'll either be the funniest shi ever or I can finally mute all the soccer stuff
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u/rutare64 20h ago
What is with this sub and sucking off to argentina
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u/MaybeThisTime67 20h ago
Just a bunch of pissing and crying from all sides. I'm glad I don't really care about football, I wouldn't have the patience for this shit.
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u/PauseHot4475 1h ago
At this point we cant even hate the guy bro wants the Trophy and bro can get it after doing allat
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u/XDOOM_ManX Pro Gamer 13h ago
More like rigging, the Egypt match says it all.
Fifa canât have their golden boy Messi lose.
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u/currycourtesan 15h ago
- Reversing Egypt's goal and denying penalty against their player after
- Turning red card against Arg player into
- Not calling clear fouls early in England match
- Denying Cabo Verde final attacking play after their player took a hit
And probably many more. Each of these pretty much flipped the momentum of the match. They shouldn't have made it to the finals. Barely beating an underdog like Cabo Verde - that too thanks to a bad call- is proof of that.
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u/hernanemartinez 1h ago
Oh for gods sake, cease to write and go see some football matches. You ignorant.
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u/Simen155 RageFace Against the Machine 20h ago
Given all the shit they have gotten away with, then i'm not surprised
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u/JustForTheMemes420 14h ago
Is this entire thread like a rage bait, theyâre not hated because theyâre good, theyâre hated because fifa clearly favors them. Itâs not even a conspiracy, remember the no politics rule. Well I wonder what the Falklands banner they brought out at the end of the England game blatantly is, yet whatâs happened so far about that wanna guess.
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u/heygabehey 16h ago
You know how all of Africa hates South Africa cause they are racist? Yeah that Argentina, ya know⊠the place all the nazi war criminals went to after ww2.
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u/Mythikron 13h ago
In Argentina's defense, they've been giving everyone a head start and still nobody can beat them.
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u/Monica1810 13h ago
Everything I have seem from the Argentinian fans has been disgusting. Even when they won they were burning Englands flag. There chants are racist and they hide behind it being a âjokeâ. Being racist towards Ispeed and beating up people from other teams. I was trying to be neutral but after everything that I have seen I understand the hate. I see them comment on racist videos âcry harderâ. No accountability at all. They do not condemn the racism that is being seen. they get defensive and claim that everyone is jealous of them đđđ jealous of what exactly? Lol
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u/BULLOKOV 9h ago
After all that and the Falklands are still British đŹđ§đđđđđŁïžâ
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u/YoSoyUnPan 18h ago
Real ones know it's fixed for them to win. La copa en cambio para la Patagonia. Do some research
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u/currycourtesan 17h ago
If FIFA wasnt sucking their schlongs they would have been out 3-4 rounds ago
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u/Entire_Reception_100 18h ago
its funny couse even we are wiating to loose to start talking shit about our players and Scaloni bad player list for this world cup, but hes trolling on us too.
We can blame and talk shit between us but we dont allow other countries talk shit about us lol.
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u/JasonMallen 16h ago
I enjoy the video's of Europeans experiencing america for the first time better than the game's themselves
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u/Current_0000 1h ago
england had them dead for 84 minutes and argentina just went "no lol" and scored twice. this isnt a meme its a match report
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u/Mafara10 1h ago
I wouldn't say first 84, Argentina was comletely destroying Eng after their first goal(they had like 88% possession). At that point it was kinda obvious they were gonna win. All they needed was 1 successful goal. They scored 2 instead, so they won before extra time.
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u/JuJu_Wirehead 22h ago
Makes you wonder if Argentina would've even gotten this far if people didn't care as much as they do. Like, maybe the hate is spurring them?