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u/Gracesten1 9h ago
Awwww, kinda don't want to eat scallops after this. 💖
And I love scallops.... 😅
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u/No-Computer7653 9h ago
Your ENS (gut brain) contains more than 200 million neurons. A scallop doesn't have a brain but it's ganglia contains ~6,000 neurons. Much of that is for the ~200 "eyes". If you are concerned about eating something intelligent they are pretty low on the list, not even close to all the delicious mammals like cows and pigs (both highly intelligent, social and emotional animals).
Many bivalve molluscs have a similar setup where they detect shadow (some "eyes" some have light reactive cells in their shells) protection from predators is either hiding (clams) or running away (scallops). It's not in intelligent response, it's automatic response to stimulus, think venus fly trap.
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u/Rezzone 9h ago
Yea even as a vegan scallops and other bivalves are arguably ok to eat. Some vegans allow bivalves.
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u/InstructionFinal5190 8h ago
If you eat anything produced by, or is, an animal, then it's not vegan in any capacity. A vegetarian by definition cannot eat animal flesh, which a scallop is, and that's more lenient than being vegan.
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u/Rezzone 8h ago
No. Vegan is an ideology, not a diet. Some interpretations of vegan values like those by utilitarians can follow the ideology without causing animal suffering as bivalves do not have the physiological structures needed to experience pain, suffering, etc. from being consumed.
Not all vegans think this way but pretty large swaths do.
You would be accurate in saying that these orthovegans (yes, this practice has a name) are not fully plant-based.
There are also other versions of this like lactovegans, beegans, or ovovegansm, all of which have slightly different lines in the sand regarding animal cruelty and husbandry. Again, there are some who would not consider them "true" or "pure" vegans, but these practices do exist.
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u/InstructionFinal5190 8h ago
Not to be combative, but ole man Webster with his succinct definition of the word vegan states it is someone that does not engage with or consume things derived from animals, which a scallop is.
If there are diets or ideologies that are ok with consuming animal flesh, using the term "vegan" in the suffix is disingenuous nomenclature.
To clarify, I'm aware that such ideologies exist. I'm neither pro nor anti vegan.
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u/Rezzone 8h ago edited 8h ago
I would probably use the actual definition of veganism from the vegan society itself (see below). And, yes, it states to exclude the exploitation and cruelty to animals. The point is that if you do not believe bivalves as capable of experiencing cruelty or exploitation, you are not really exploiting or being cruel, and therefore are following the vegan philosophy.
It is a less popular interpretation for sure. There are also divides in the community regarding keeping pets. Some believe it is exploitation to keep a cat, for example, while others do not. It really depends on what you consider to be exploitation and cruelty. Although the majority opinion is that ANY animal use is strictly avoided.
"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
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u/Strong_Recording_128 8h ago
Could you please explain those 3 types of vegans you mentioned?
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u/Rezzone 8h ago
lactovegan - vegan except for dairy
ovovegan - vegan except for eggs
beegan - vegan except for honeyBeegans are pretty common as many believe the relationship humans and bees share is truly mutually beneficial and potentially even necessary. They will argue that it does not involve any exploitation or does not NECESSARILY involve exploitation.
lacto and ovo vegans are pretty fringe and the huge majority would not consider them true vegans at all. It's more of a description of the diet they follow, which is just plant-based with one or two exceptions. Milk, cheese, maybe eggs. The people who do this usually have health issues that make full veganism extremely risky or difficult, or have financial/accessibility issues for vegan products and supplements.
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u/Strong_Recording_128 7h ago
Wow thank you!
I’ve been off beef and pork for years.
Finally quit poultry when I saw a post about a rescued hen who was at the bottom of a trash bin at a factory with hundreds of hens on top of her. She had no feathers. She fought for her little life and lived two more amazing years at a sanctuary!
I never touched it again and never will.
But I don’t think I can quit fish at least yet.
Is there a name for pescatarian who also also eats pastured raised dairy, only because that’s too long when people ask me. 🙄2
u/Rezzone 6h ago
Pescatarian diets usually do not exclude dairy, so pescatarian sounds accurate! You can clarify a little by saying lacto-pescatarian but I bet that would confuse more people than help them understand.
I'm currently a lactoovovegan. I prefer to say this as opposed to vegetarian because by weight, over 95% of my food intake is fully vegan. I occasionally eat eggs and sometimes cook with butter or cream.
Good on you for limiting your animal product intake. I'm not a dogmatist and I believe that reasonable reduction is the pathway to help the most animals.
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u/Holiday_Pi 8h ago
I believe that I can taste the difference between the intelligent, emotional animals and the shellfish, insects, escargot, etc. The intelligence and emotions lend a depth of flavor that is just incomparable
ETA: I would really love the opportunity to try chimp
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u/theboringbiker 7h ago
For me, the meat is tastier when slaughtered at the highest moment of fear, some would even say the flavor is to die for
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u/Frimono 9h ago
I can hear the cartoon boing-boing-boing sound effect from here
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u/Accomplished-Loss387 8h ago
Nah I hear the cheep cheep cartoon sound effects from that SpongeBob scallop episode
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u/Strong_Recording_128 9h ago
Why is this the saddest thing I’ve ever seen.
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u/RogueBromeliad 8h ago
Probably because its's relatively small scallop, and usually you couldn't take shellfish out of the water. They're very pressure sensitive, and since they live in water taking them out could potentially create a vacuum in their in their filters and kill them.
I'm just a layman, but this is what I've heard from divers regarding shellfish.
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u/billysugger000 8h ago
This is the saddest thing you've ever seen?
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u/Strong_Recording_128 8h ago
It symbolizes every single sad thing I’ve ever seen then?
Because it’s about something that’s perceived as a lesser species just wanting to live its little life exactly the same as the bigger thing does.2
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u/vigilantesd 9h ago
I had flame scallops in my aquarium many years ago. They move around like this in the aquarium until they either get stuck or find someplace they like, which is guaranteed not where you want them lol
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u/kjyfqr 9h ago
What u mean where they like. What type of cognition do these bad bois got
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u/vigilantesd 8h ago
They like current (they’re filter feeders), and some light, which may not be where you think they look good at. There may be too much current, or not enough. They also anchor themselves where they choose, so moving them may not be the best option.
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u/Christina_said_what 8h ago
Looks like he has an attitude lol. whole mother fkn ocean and you gotta be right up on me as he stomps away
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u/J_P_Freely 9h ago
They can see you coming, they have like 100 eyes.
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u/kjyfqr 9h ago
Fucking what?
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u/Sorry-Climate-7982 9h ago
If you were as delicious as they are, you'd run away when a predator nears as well.
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u/DearlyOutlying 7h ago
They swim by clapping their shells together, it's basically a panic-powered jet engine
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u/Flowa-Powa 2h ago
That's a queenie, they are well known for swimming away. Scallops also do this sometimes, but they swim backwards
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