r/interesting • u/GeorgeRobertVitkos • 15d ago
SOCIETY Just a regular morning commute in Tokyo. Yes, this is a real job.
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u/Last-Quarter-432 15d ago
Put the bag on your head or something
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u/obvious_daydream 15d ago
Thank you! The whole thing was infuriating!
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u/C2thaLo 15d ago
There was another train probably waiting right behind this one.
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u/Visible_Pair3017 15d ago
Equally full, yes.
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u/RogueBromeliad 15d ago
Yeah, but then again, for such an advanced and modern looking country they sure need to fund a problem for public transportation, these full trains in japan have been a problem ever since I was growing up. And that was a couple of decades ago.
It's really hard to believe they still havent found an alternative to simply squashing people together during rush hour every day.
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u/Majestic-School-1921 15d ago
If you visit Japan, you’ll discover it is not as modern as it is portrayed to be. The place feels like it is stuck in the early 2000s. Lots of busywork on the streets, 5 people doing a 1 or 2 person job etc.
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u/Visible_Pair3017 15d ago
I thought i was original when i told that to someone and it turns out i'm not the only one who felt this way : Japan has been living in the 2000's since the 80s.
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u/SkywolfNINE 15d ago
I mean the 2000s were still pretty peak
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u/Visible_Pair3017 15d ago
You're preaching to the choir, but as Japanese history has shown in the past, if you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards.
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u/SkywolfNINE 15d ago edited 14d ago
I can solve the issue tho, why not add like 4 more train cars to each train?
Edit: actual solution, add on like 2 more train cars on both sides of the train, it might not fit all the way on the platform but people can still enter the cars and walk between the cars right? (I literally don’t know, don’t use subways) so that’s like a good extra 100 people on the train. Combine that with another train coming in 5 minutes and so on, surely that’s enough?
And if it isn’t, I’ve got an idea to get people on trains faster too. We use a slide method with open top trains. Have workers ushering people onto the slide and have the slide plop them out in their seat. Get people onto the train faster and you can have a 2nd train coming even sooner. We get a train rolling every 5 minutes and now you don’t gotta force yourself on
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u/NotBradPitt9 15d ago
How so? They look pretty modern to me, more so than the US
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u/Perceptions-pk 15d ago
That’s cause the USA is trying to speedrun going back to the 1920’s
Very few travel experiences were as jarring as leaving Japan for the first time and landing in LAX. Felt like I was just dropped in a third world country completely with the airport bus and roads around the terminals nearly falling apart
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u/Cavane42 15d ago
Women could vote in 1920. They want to go back further than that.
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u/X_soulnewmegaman 15d ago
That's why Tokyo is the best everyone gets helped one by one
No one left behind
Even homeless have a home
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u/SmamrySwami 14d ago
> How so? They look pretty modern to me, more so than the US
Japan is modern, the "stuck in 2000's" is related to a lot of IT. Japanese culture went all in on early-adoption in the late 90's/early 00's so a lot of things like computerized Transit Ticket Kiosks and using your cell phone to pay for things was very bleeding-edge technology and futuristic early adoption. The other side of that is many of those systems have not been fully updated since then, and now other societies have caught up with modern screen based interfaces, tap-to-pay, etc.
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u/Micbunny323 15d ago
A lot of rapidly industrialized, and then computerized asiatic states are like this. You will have pockets of incredibly advanced, almost futuristic technology, and some of the most developed places on Earth…. Right next to some of the biggest examples of wasteful, rapid expansion and early onset urban decay.
And then stretches of countryside outside the urban centers you’d believe haven’t changed since the late 1800’s, or later, with tiny towns that barely even have functional electricity all the time.
It’s really jarring if you haven’t experienced it before.
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u/_eleutheria 14d ago
The websites their developers build always feel so slow. Pretty much every website you visit feels like it was developed in the 90s.
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u/GeraldGensalkes 14d ago
I get the point you are trying to make, but for most of the English-speaking world the early 2000s is objectively better than what we have now.
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u/Historical-Band-3516 14d ago
If you visit Japan you’ll discover that there is no one pushing anyone onto the train. When it’s too crowded people just wait for the next one coming in a couple of minutes.
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u/Gwanbulance 15d ago
They need to put the doors on the top instead of the side.
Much easier to pour people in from above than push them in from the side.
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u/LordMeloney 14d ago
Thank you making me laugh during my commute :) The visualisation of your comment is absolutely hilarious.
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u/C2thaLo 15d ago
I understand theres a level of density that you just dont find here outside of NYC but wouldn't the solution be kind of 2 fold, 1: the transit authority needs to run more trains, and 2: we need to be more patient (and possibly have a backup plan).
Anytime I've needed to take the subway and the trains are packed for an event or something similar I wait. Maybe for 2 or 3 trains. Sometimes I opt to just walk because that is faster. Are people more or less safe if theres an accident when trains are packed over capacity?
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u/operaduck289 15d ago edited 15d ago
I think for people who say, get on the next one or run more trains, they don’t really understand the problem.
Trains are already at max frequency during peak hours, next train pulls in immediately after this leaves. But there may not be any space to step into the train. So quickly step in when there’s 0.1cm space.
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u/C2thaLo 15d ago
I guess I would just hope after decades a solution to this could be found.
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u/RedeNElla 15d ago
Work from home and shorter hours and more reasonable leave entitlements.
Those things go against the culture, though
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u/templar54 14d ago
Solution to lack of physical space is yet to be discovered. They just literally don't have more space for commuters.
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u/JSmith666 14d ago
Would it make more sense then to not spend time pushing people in...you may get slightly less people per train but you would get more trains through.
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u/TedW 14d ago
Ok, but how many people did this one guy slow down, by overflowing the train?
If pulling people off allows every train to leave 1 minute faster, the next train comes 1 minute earlier, the train after that is 2 minutes earlier, etc. Pretty soon a whole extra train ran in the same amount of time.
Course, it's Japan and obviously they know wtf they're doing with train schedules. I'm just armchair scheduling over here.
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u/DigitalHermetics 15d ago
And this is Japan so no matter how infuriating that guy is being, the worker is culturally and likely professionally obligated to deal with it politely.
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u/Miguel1219 13d ago
As someone who lives in Japan and has for almost 5 years, I can say that I love the Japanese people they’re amazing but they also like a complete sense of social cue and social awareness
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u/RTrancid 14d ago
I've been in situations like these I have empathy for them. Being tired and stressed out of your mind shuts down logical thinking
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u/Creative-Ad-1858 15d ago
I was thinking the same, put it on your head! so annoying to watch him hold the bag like this, others could have moved a bit and accomodate the bag between them. Sometimes people do nothing and hope things workout somehow.
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u/Visible_Pair3017 15d ago
There is no space to move, or for the bag to go down once he puts it up. You underestimate how full that train is.
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u/PossessionProper5934 14d ago
i was just thiking how depressign it is to spend eveyr day like this
go to work early, earn so low, that you need to take a public transport like this
get shoved inside like mass manufactured goods
trains are more like factory trucks, that take you from mines( homes) to factoreis ( offices_) to be processed7
u/youknowjus 14d ago
The culture in Japan is almost robotic where something outside the norm isn’t considered. The norm is that you place backpacks on your front.
It’s why they have been living in the 2000s since the 1980s.
Source: been living in Japan for last 6 years
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u/nasadowsk 14d ago
Was probably an issue when Fukushima happened. They were not ready to break from the rules when the shit hit the fan. You're in a beyond design basis accident, there's generally no procedures for what's going on.
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u/PlentyAlbatross7632 15d ago
Or step out and wait for the next train
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u/YetAnohterOne11 15d ago
the next train will be the same?
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u/whiskalator 15d ago
Read somewhere that some people do it on purpose to delay the train so they get compensation or something as they take train delays very seriously there.
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u/weirdchigga1207 15d ago
Classic 'entitled old man w/ selective ZERO situational awareness' phenomenon.
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u/RogueBromeliad 15d ago
I dont think he was entitled at all, he seems to be trying really hard to get his bag in too. The train is just too packed.
At that point work places should just all have lockers since you would need to keep bringing and taking less things with you to and from work. Would increase space in public transport.
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u/JayUrbanDET 14d ago
it's purposeful. He has awareness. Notice why he backs in... if he makes eye contact with anyone he would have to politely bow out. In Japan as long as you don't make eye contact you can act like you were unaware.
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u/assetrecoverycashier 15d ago
They can’t they’re too stupid holding it directly in front of the sliding metal door
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u/ProfessionalPack7205 15d ago
He's doing it on purpose. It's the actual only answer. Staged video
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u/Honest-Estimate4964 15d ago
Serious question: is it like a "regular morning commute in Tokyo"?
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u/Swordhead1 15d ago
yes.
source: me, getting squished every morning when going to work between 7-9, Mita line30
u/SleepyMastodon 15d ago
I did three years on the Tozai Line, but I’ve been in Kyushu for the last 15. I’m trying to remember—is this video of the Tozai? The blue looks familiar.
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u/Swordhead1 15d ago
I thought it might be mita haha but just got off mita, doesn’t look like it, perhaps keihin tohoku? 😂😂
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u/JewelJellyParfait 14d ago
Keihin Tohoku is light blue. This one is the same color as JR Yokosuka line but there’s usually another stripe. If it’s not Mita, my only other guess is Tozai.
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u/iloverailguns 14d ago
Tozai only has 10-car trains, but in the platform doors, there is a mention of both 10 and 8 cars. It matches much closer to the Odakyu Odawara line (2000 series)
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u/MoaRepresent 14d ago edited 14d ago
It's missing the stripe at the top of the train, though it may be an old video featuring previous stock. But those platform doors look more like subway doors than JR when the camera swings from the right near the end. I'm wondering if it is even from Tokyo, since the train's stripe positioning does not seem right for Mita or Tozai either, and I don't think any of the others use a blue stripe (except Joban line which is a darker blue). [Edit: Odakyu line uses that single blue stripe, and the round stickers on the windows also match)
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u/GrandFollowing5376 14d ago
Im pretty sure its a e233-1000 series judging by the cars on the train. and judging by the livery its a keihin tohoku line. Though only have 1 strip is weird.
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u/MoaRepresent 14d ago
Someone else posted then deleted, but it looks to be an Odakyu 3000 or 4000 series train, which runs through on the Chiyoda line. The current 5000 series has an additional teal line above the blue one, but the older stock just has the one blue line.
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u/mongobot77 14d ago
My first thought was Toazi. I used to live in Monzennakacho and the evening commute home on that line could be pretty intense.
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u/iloverailguns 14d ago
It looks like the Odakyu Odawara line 2000 series rolling stock, the grey line over the blue strips is similar to it.
https://bateman.monologue.jp/en/articles/private/oer2000.html
Tozai line has larger doors that this for the exact reason
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u/JewelJellyParfait 14d ago
The morning commute is rough, not to mention all the weirdos you encounter. Cant recommend it one bit.
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u/ShadowFire09 14d ago
Mita is no where near that bad. Though it has gotten worse since the schedule changed this year. It’s really only crowded in specific cars and even just at specific doors
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u/OtherwiseACat 14d ago
Is it worth the ride at this point? Im very claustrophobic and would never do this.
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u/Swordhead1 14d ago
We don't really have a choice. I mean, if you have a car, sure but driving to work isnt really worth it within tokyo as the jam is terrible during peak period, you'd actually be faster by train.
Oh and also employers usually pay for our transport so train commute is essentially free.
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u/Darth_Ronin 15d ago
Durning rush hours yeah they’re packed. They can verage something like 70% over capacity, some going 160% over capacity.
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u/Toes_In_The_Soil 15d ago
What's the purpose of having a "capacity" if it isn't enforced?
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u/Darth_Ronin 15d ago
Mainly for planning purposes.
Tokyo is one of (if not the most) densely populated cities in the world. The Tokyo metro area has a population of 37 million people in 13, 500 km. In comparison, New York City metro area has 19.9 million people in just over 12,000km.
So overcrowding is gonna happen at peak times like rush hour no matter what they really do tbh.
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u/Hearthhull_Enjoyer 15d ago
Seems unsafe. What if a major accident occurred.
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u/RandomGuyDroppingIn 14d ago
Accidents do occur frequently and there will be noted delays. There's even "levels" that gets reported on the trains. If you're riding one and you see "human incident" displayed as the delay inside the cars, you can take a good guess what that means.
When I've been over to Japan I always try and avoid the rush. Leave a little earlier or set time aside to wait for another train. Problem is a lot of people in the big cities put their daily lives & commutes on extremely strict schedules. Time is of such importance that TVs show what time it is in large white numbers on the screen, just to remind you in the morning if you're one of those people that leave exactly at 7:43 AM, stand on the 4th car line to shoot to the stairs to go to the 1st car line on the next platform to shoot out of your final destination station.
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u/aucnderutresjp_1 15d ago
I live on that exact line, mornings are definitely like that. I manage to just miss evening peak though.
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u/__O_o_______ 15d ago
Dunno what it’s like now, but I was in Tokyo in 2018 and never saw these even on the main routes like Yamanote, Chuo, and Sobu at various times during the day. Packed. Sure. Pushed. No?
Even shinjuku which at the time saw 3 million people going through a day.
Not say it doesn’t happen, but I feel like it’s rare enough that these videos only pop up differently like once a year or less on social media?
I dunno. A local might have more relevant experience.
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u/ResponsibilitySea327 15d ago
Yeah, it is an everyday thing. But only foreigners would be recording and posting these things.
Yamanote isn't a great example -- it is the busiest line, but it runs continuous trains every 3 minutes to avoid the cramming. But it can still be shoulder to shoulder.
Denentoshi, Tozai, chuo, and Hibiya are always crowded in the mornings like this. Even parts of the Blue Line in Yokohama.
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u/Service-Unnamed8350 15d ago
I've been to Japan 4 times now and have never encountered the pushers, having taken the subway at various times during the day. But it can get extremely busy up to the point that people start pushing themselves inside.
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u/psicopbester 15d ago
You would need to be traveling around Tokyo during rush hour. Which, as a tourist, you'd be an ass for doing.
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u/HansTeeWurst 15d ago
Depends a lot on the time of day and the line. Some lines that should have them don't, so lines that don't really need them have them. But they've been reducing all station staff in general, so they're becoming less common by the day
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u/GeorgeRobertVitkos 15d ago
Fun fact for those wondering: These subway pushers are called Oshiya (押し屋). While this used to be a full-time profession during Japan's economic boom, today it is mostly a part-time job done by station staff or students during the worst of the morning rush hour (usually between 7:30 AM and 8:30 AM) on specific, heavily congested lines. Their main job isn't actually to "shove" people, but to ensure that no bags, clothing, or limbs get caught in the doors so the trains can depart exactly on time!
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u/S_Weld 15d ago
We're starting to have that in Paris too in the busiest stations, although they're just wearing a high-vis jacket, no fancy uniform
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u/takeme2tendieztown 15d ago
Paris rush hour was no joke on the train. Good thing I was there in May and not the summer. I could only imagine the smell
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u/-Memento__Mori__ 15d ago
Londons a damn death trap, never seen anything like it due to the narrowness of the platforms
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u/BrokinHowl 15d ago
Thanks for the background info!
Ah yes, taking the time to arrange and do attempt after attempt, so the train leaves on time... Instead of just telling the person to step off. At least that's how this video is, could be an abnormal one
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u/Bright_Curve3078 15d ago
Meanwhile in Finland, the bus is "full" if I have to sit next to stranger, so I'll just stand in the middle.
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u/Latte-Catte 14d ago
What's wrong with taking a seat next to strangers?
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u/Bright_Curve3078 14d ago
It's very rude to invade their personal space. What if they think I'm a weirdo?
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u/johnnybeesknees 14d ago
The seat next to someone on a bus is not their space. And it's absolutely not rude to sit there. If you don't want to, that's fine. But if you did it would not be rude. People who sit next to other people on buses are not being rude when they do that.
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u/Defiant_Eggplant_909 14d ago
It's a joke. People from Finland are known for being very big on personal space.
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u/Starlightriddlex 14d ago
Here in Southern California it's more to do with the number of crazy people on the bus. 1 crazy raving person= bus is full. 2 crazy raving people= bus over capacity, everyone get off.
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u/Makologo 15d ago
I feel bad for anyone who farts in there
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u/C0nfusedRabbit 15d ago
Not as bad as those trapped in there with the fart.
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u/Turnipntulip 15d ago
Meh. I get that it’s a joke, but Japanese are drilled into their head with the “harmony above all else” thing, so no public disturbances, no confrontation in public. They would not fart in a public space like this, unless they absolutely can not hold it in. Or if they’re a senile old fart that doesn’t know what they’re doing.
Now this does create the molestation problem, because they’re 1. Packed like sardines. 2. Not supposed to make a disturbance. Molesters pretend that the crowd make their bodies move, while the women, and the population at large, are non confrontational. I have a head canon that molestation happens as an accident at first, then the pervert just realized the women won’t do anything about it.
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u/asutekku 15d ago
Have you ever been in a train in japan? The old salarymen 100% fart there.
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u/Turnipntulip 15d ago
Well, I mean, old farts are more thick skinned after all. They kinda don’t care anymore. Or maybe they just abuse that senior privilege. Anyway, it does loop back to the whole non confrontational thing. People wouldn’t even say anything openly, or face to face. Just passive aggressive off hand comments. If anything, a thick skinned person might even find it hilarious and entertaining. Like internet trolls get off from making people mad online.
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u/Impossible_Stock8885 15d ago edited 14d ago
Meh. I get that it’s a joke, but Japanese are drilled into their head with the “harmony above all else” thing, so no public disturbances, no confrontation in public.
Lmfao I live in Tokyo and this isn't a thing, maybe it was in the 1990s but not anymore.
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/1ulblzz/
This post makes a lot of sense now.
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u/Impressive-Bird2 15d ago
And we think the commute on the Tube in London is a grind….🤣
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u/FuriousCrunch 14d ago
he means that if the video had a different country, it wouldnt elicit the same response as the people in these comments have
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u/FuriousCrunch 14d ago
im talking about if the video was from a 3rd world country, there would be 3rd world reaction from people here. its not about whether its positive or negative, its about the typoe of positive and negative reaction in addition to the severity of either.
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u/whitecollarpizzaman 14d ago
Wrong use of the meme, also as is often the case, this is showing a very specific situation, I’ve spent some time in Tokyo and this is not the norm, their job is primarily to keep people from getting caught in the door, this guy is just an idiot.
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u/West-Way-All-The-Way 15d ago
And riding the train for 1.5 hours like that 🤣
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u/WorryNotBanIncoming 14d ago
I think I’d off myself the first week. No way I could enjoy life like that.
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u/samsg1 14d ago
I lived in Tokyo for three years. It’s only like this at busy stations. Not the entire stretch.
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u/lez3ro 15d ago
As a tourist, I had to get in a train like that. I know I made it worse for locals, but I couldn't help it at the time. Sorry.
Thankfully I was a bit taller than everyone else, so my head was "above water". If I was pressed by everyone around me and I was face to face with people or my face pressed on other's bodies I think I would panic.
There was a studen hydrolic-pressed between me and the train wall, I tried my best to relieve pressure, hands over everyone pushing at the wall. But she was so unbothered, scrolling on her phone. It baffled me. That lasted two stops. Then we got off because we realized we took the train going the wrong way.
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u/Allaplgy 14d ago
My second train experience in Tokyo involved getting on the shinkansen with my traveling partners, only to have one of them proceed to immediately drop their entire loaded snowboard bag onto some poor commuter's head while trying to stow it on the overhead rack.
I was so embarrassed to be associated 😅.
But a woman dressed similar to this hurried over and stuffed his bag into a baggage corner without a word, like she sees this shit every day.
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u/nexusil1a 15d ago
Their rail network redefines the term, 'packed like sardines in a can'. I used to live in Sagamihara in the late 80's.
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u/Informal-Shape9476 15d ago
And just because of that the train is 30 second late to the next stop and the driver will get reprimanded.
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u/aayush_aryan 15d ago
Been living here since half a decade. Grateful for my full remote flex engineering job.
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u/Ripley_and_Jones 15d ago
If only they'd allow work from home...
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u/Top_Connection9079 14d ago
That doesn't work for all types of job. You'd need a copy machine etc at home too.
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u/speedyspeedys 15d ago
Just run more trains. Jeez
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u/SleepyMastodon 15d ago
This happens during rush hour, and many of the lines are running trains every few minutes. There’s not much room for more trains, let alone people.
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u/Inverse_Delta 15d ago
Literally couldn't if they tried. These trains already cycle at one every 10 minutes at the times and locations (Tokyo) this happens
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u/germanstudent123 14d ago
I don't know if what you said is true, but a train every 10 minutes is by no means frequent for a big city, especially not one as big as Tokyo.
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u/Inverse_Delta 14d ago
Yamanote line has it at roughly 5 minutes since it's just in a circle around mid Tokyo, but the rest of the lines all stretch off in different directions. The vast majority of them in Tokyo are anywhere between 8-10 minutes between trains.
There's a range of reasons why this is the case, ranging between the number of stations, the spread of express vs. trains that stop at all stations and being on a single track with ways to go around the trains stopping at more destinations being limited because of the terrain etc. But effectively it's not really possible to add more trains than already are.
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u/germanstudent123 14d ago
That sounds like a tricky situation but also a city as big as Tokyo should be able to figure out a solution for this. I live in Germany and each of the three "big" (not big in comparison to Tokyo) cities have metros running at LEAST every 5 minutes during rush hour. Sounds kind of insane to me that Tokyo hasn't adjusted their network to at least reach that.
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u/Inverse_Delta 14d ago
I'm not the most knowledgeable on the topic, but metro trains aren't their biggest priority because the vast majority of people are fine with how they are. There's more focus on improving the systems of the trains that are preexisting rather than commissioning more trains. A lot of budget goes into railway maintenance and infrastructure too.
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u/ffulirrah 14d ago
Was on the Hibiya line today. Tried to get on at the 3rd station on the line, Minowa, during rush hour and it was this busy. And the trains were every 2 minutes.
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u/MoaRepresent 14d ago
10? What line in Tokyo has that much spacing?
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u/Inverse_Delta 14d ago
Anything connecting to the edge of Tokyo, like Saikyo, Musashino or Keihin Tohoku just to name a few that I ride regularly.
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u/grxccccandice 15d ago
Make it once every 3min like the other major metropolitan
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u/ricshimash 14d ago
the yamanote line is pretty much that during rush hour. once every 3 minutes however there are many lines run by different companies.
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u/Mysterious_Anybody77 15d ago
I hope that no one farts in there
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u/BigBeautifulBill 15d ago
I would save all my morning farts just to rip em in there
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u/Mysterious_Anybody77 15d ago
"Hey,are you the person dressed in that gas mask and bio hazard type get up from "the moments before disaster Post?"
Which'd explain both of those,because you'd know what was about to happen to your fellow passengers
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u/spermracewinner- 15d ago
I mean i you want to d**e you cant start surfin on indian trains too like those things are 99% electrifed
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u/Son_Chidi 15d ago
In the last few hours I have seen the exact same situation in two different countries.Whats happeing ?
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u/macT4537 15d ago
Maybe get the next train ?
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u/Sudden_Low1741 15d ago
The next train will be just as crowded. When I was in Tokyo I waited for the next couple of trains and they were fully packed so I gave up and got on the next train…
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u/winterwarm78654 15d ago
How much they get paid for that and why he just didn't just hold it over his head till the door closed
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u/TheShredder9 15d ago
She's trying to move him the wrong way, she should pull him out and let him walk, he's obviously blocking the door with his backpack on purpose.
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u/JamKaBam 15d ago
When I was in London during the new years fireworks, they had the bright idea in shutting down the majority of the Underground lines to be able to get home after the event, so everyone was funnelled into 2 or 3 open lines only. So, naturally, it was absolutely rammed. Me, with my wife, were squeezed onto a train where I could only feel my wifes hand but had someone's shoulder in my face and I was squashed between two other dudes, that close that you can smell booze, sweat and them breathing and doing your best to avoid eye contact. As it's winter, and 1am, everyone is also wearing thick coats, hats, scarfs so it's incredibly hot in there. It was the worst experience of my life and i squeezed my wifes hand to make sure she didn't let go because I had no idea where she was.
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