r/Whatcouldgowrong • u/ChargeEducational700 • 5h ago

WCGW speeding through the water while both captains are busy scrolling?

This is why captains exist, boys.

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u/the-real-vuk 4h ago

Problem is that car drivers do the exact same, smashing into people.

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u/siazdghw 2h ago

This is why stuff like FSD is safer than the average driver.

The average person looks at their phone, toys with their radio or AC, rubbernecks, gets tired or emotional, or is a new driver or an elderly driver. A computer drives consistently safer than them.

Now of course everyone will say 'I drive better than a computer', and some of you will be right, but on average, I doubt it.

Of course this is decades away from fruition, not because the technology isn't already better than the average driver, but because it's essentially a middle class+ luxury for now, but probably by the 2030's some form of autonomous driving or at a minimum ADAS will become mandatory on new vehicles.

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u/quarantinedbiker 43m ago
  1. FSD that requires the driver to be "paying attention at all times" is a luxury item, not a safety item. If you run over a cyclist in your Tesla, it doesn't matter if you had "FSD" on, you're fucked. But paying attention is actually harder when you're not actively engaged with the drive. There's no point in "freeing up the driver's attention" when they aren't allowed to redirect it elsewhere. It's a very hypocritical situation where everything is saying "don't pay attention, I gotchu" right up until the moment where you kill someone and the judge says "should've been paying attention".
  2. Relatedly, manufacturers have no obligation to measure, report, or otherwise analyze the false positives from the mandatory collision avoidance systems. These systems were made mandatory as a regulatory compromise for vehicles becoming larger and heavier, and now people are dying from "phantom braking" where a malfunction causes a car to slam the brakes on the highway for no reason, but there are no systematic investigations (which is very reminiscent of the Takata scandal where manufacturers "failed" [on purpose] to realize what was happening for a decade+ simply because they refused to investigate suspicious deaths in low-speed accidents). Plus manufacturers have widely different implementations that have not been thoroughly reviewed by any independent third-party. Which is not to say they aren't safer than nothing (they might be), but that the hypothetical safety benefits are at most a side-effect from the actual goal of "safety-washing" vehicles that weigh twice what they should and come out of the factory with a huge iPad you must interact with to turn on the A/C.

Tabling on a hypothetical FSD magically solving these problems in 20 years, when we could be building affordable mass transit now is political cowardice and corruption, plain and simple. Elon doesn't even hide the fact that he's been bullshitting this whole time and all he ever wanted was to ratfuck West Coast transit projects.

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u/Daxx22 18m ago

All of that is why I'm quite sure we'll never see fully autonomous driving as a general thing until it's ONLY autonomous driving on the roads.

The instant you throw a single human controlled vehicle into that mix all the best prediction goes down drastically. And in a way, autonomous cars could be a form of mass transit, IE instead of actually owning a car you rent/call for one like an taxi, only using it when needed along with other actual mass options like buses/trains.

There are obviously a lot of potential issues that could cause and would need to be worked out, but FSD will remain a novelty regardless as long as humans are in control of the vehicles at all.

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u/the-real-vuk 30m ago

> it's essentially a middle class+ luxury for now

Well .. taking the train/bus isn't. If someone's phone-addict, take the fucking public transport.

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u/Daxx22 10m ago

No, see, I can do it just fine, not like those other idiots!

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u/Lraund 27m ago

This is why stuff like FSD is safer than the average driver.

Because it has a better driver ready to take over when it panics?