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u/1GeorgeMarcus2MJ8LBJ 5d ago
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u/coffee_coffee_coffe3 𝙑𝙄𝙋 5d ago
It’s just facts, but I guess facts you don’t like are controversial.
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u/Temmie546 5d ago
I don’t think they are disagreeing with you, they’re saying that there will be a lot of comments under this post that will end up in controversial
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u/Embarrassed_Fan_5723 5d ago
That’s their whole point. They want the controversy. That’s how they get engagement on here
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u/letsmaybetry9296 5d ago
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u/noticingEnjoyer 5d ago
Churches definitely need to be able to submit financial documents showing that they still uphold the traditional charitable role of the church in society, the entire reason why they traditionally aren't taxed. If they are run by Joel Osteen types of people they definitely should be taxed as business
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u/Daeneas 5d ago
Christian here. Wholehesrtedly agree. Iñ my country we even have tax exemption to charity. There is nothing really shopping us from doingbwhat you say but the Will of the government
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u/MeVersusGravity 5d ago
Or we can tax all religious institutions and they can deduct their charitable contributions like any other business.
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u/Sea_Lawfulness_9770 4d ago
And if we made the records public...whole lotta Christians would be very upset with their church
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 5d ago
If your pastors income is more than 2x the median income for the congregation, or if his church-provided housing value is more than 2x the median for the area ... tax him down to that level.
Same with cars ... you can only drive one car, tax the rest.
And if you have a private jet ... just don't.
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u/Chrismatic8224 5d ago
Or even your local Catholic parish. Yeah the Vatican has a ton of wealth, but your local priest is basically operating a franchise and needs to keep the lights on and the incense burning
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u/Atheist_3739 5d ago
Yeah I'm an anti-theist but I have no problem with their charitable activities being tax exempt. But they either need to follow the same rules as any other tax exempt organization or they can run like a regular business, be taxed and then can submit deductions based upon any actual charitable activities they do, if any.
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u/SnooPuppers3371 5d ago
Neither Democrats nor Republicans will agree to tax churches because their political funding depends on it.
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u/Belgaraath42 5d ago
And that's how you know the whole system is horrible.
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u/SkywolfNINE 5d ago
And evangelicals are the backbone of this stagnation. Can’t really cut ties from them and lose any more votes, as evident by the awful situation we’re in right now: losing even more votes isn’t going to help us get the country back on track. Before 2016 I would’ve 100% agreed with you but after living through those moments, it’s just too risky.
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u/Belgaraath42 4d ago
I don't have to deal with it as a non American. But appeasement has a horrible history of not working. You already did it with all your fundamentalists, and look where it got you they becameore and more extrem. I also will throw in the leader of my country that got a lot of appeasement to secure "peace in our time". It ended like it's going on your country with mass concentration camps. Just missing the mass executions for now.
So I disagree heavily with your idea and call it stupid. There are less religious in your country every year, and they getore power every year. And they still redicalize every year. Stop appeasing them,start really opposing them
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u/JamesHenry627 5d ago
If we're being fair, it should be in Synagogues and Mosques too.
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u/_teach_me_your_ways_ 5d ago
It would be, since they’re all under the same exemption
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u/GospoK 5d ago
I will preface this by saying I am not a social genius. But I do believe that in this case the word 'churches' is used as a general term to include all buildings of worship.
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u/No-Quantity-5334 5d ago
As as muslim, I can confirm that's what jihad means. It means "to struggle". Working hard to provide for your family? Jihad. Protecting your properties from intruders? Jihad. Seeking knowledge? Jihad. Giving birth? Jihad. If you die doing all those things? Congratulations, you're martyr.
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u/thebighuski 5d ago
In Western culture Jihad means entirely different thing, but for arab it just means “struggle” mostly it is struggling against your self desire
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u/fiahhawt 4d ago
I think Muslims would do well to start differentiating jihads.
Looking up its definition it's straight up cult-indoctrination double-speak. That word means too many things that are not related, and could leave someone completely unaware of what kind of "jihad" you're describing if you use it in vague sentences.
Makes it harder for the people who are chill with the self-oriented jihad to criticize and ostracize the people doing the "lets kill people in religious fervor" jihad.
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u/despenser412 5d ago
People forget that first amendment exists. Church is for religion, school is for learning.
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u/DataSurging 5d ago
They didn't forget. They think it doesn't apply to them.
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u/BAJ-JohnBen 5d ago
Not even that, they're Christian Nationalist. So long as Congress and the Supreme Courts don't do anything, people can only take this to court, which takes forever.
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u/CrazedDuck25 5d ago
Herein lies the hypocrisy of the conservative. They think that they should be able to pick and choose what parts of the Constitution apply to them. They are the same with the Bible…
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u/yoUrSistersPanties_ 5d ago
Algebra? More like Al-jazeera. Amirite?
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u/Character-Subject255 5d ago
mathematics AND honest news media? oh no! whatll they do next? trigger the collapse of the evil empire and bring about the reckoning of the worlds bullies? yikes!
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u/Stabpology 5d ago
Rite.
Next thing the children will be marking down test dates in their Allahmanac
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u/spo0pti_yikes 5d ago
january I MMXXVI will be remembered as a dark day in this cities history 😔😔 /satire
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u/bwoah07_gp2 5d ago
This probably did numbers on Facebook
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u/Animaleyz 5d ago
I have a cousin that falls for the Arabic numerals in American schools outrage every time. I explain it to him every time. He still falls for it.
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u/MaximusPrime2930 5d ago
The 'Arabic numerals' thing makes it's rounds on Facebook from time to time. And yeah, conservatives get quite irrational.
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u/Catpixfever 5d ago
Get them riled up with this one and then tell them that Arabic numerals are actually from India. Heads might explode.
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u/echolm1407 5d ago
Which is just math and algebra and with higher math is how we got to the moon. Thanks Arabs but also thanks India because they were also Indian numerals. Lol
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u/MeEyeSlashU 5d ago
Woman at the motel pool yesterday, had to be in her 40s, convinced Mamdani is secretly working with Iran and right now, Trump is sending people to charge him with treason and lock him up. I really try to find the hope every day, I really do try.
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u/ContentDraft1144 5d ago
No religious texts please
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u/Chubuwee 5d ago
Hold up, I need to hear Zeus’ kink journeys
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u/Will_White 5d ago
we learned about his turning into a swan to "seduce" a maiden in grade school,
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u/highcommander010 5d ago
she was seduced into banging a goose.
Seriously high charisma roll by that goose
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u/Character-Subject255 5d ago
if they taught the bible as mythology, it would be a massive advancement for society.
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u/Awes12 5d ago
Depends which context. History class is 100% fine, it shouldn't be read elsewhere though (which is obv where it's being read in Texas).
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u/DontFuckWithDuckie 5d ago
for high schoolers maybe. Grade school kids don't need to hear about fantasy incest, slave abuse instructions, and genocide for historical purposes.
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u/BedbugBandido 5d ago
You weren’t taught about incestuous royalty, the slave trade, or the holocaust in school?
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u/DontFuckWithDuckie 5d ago
i was taught about real life history, sure
The bible sure as shit aint that
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u/Worldly-Upstairs2020 5d ago
Why would you be reading a bible in history class?
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u/onlyhav 5d ago
Because the religious implications of major historical events like the crusades, missionary conquest of Africa, and the treatment of native Americans in their re-education camps was backed by religious fervor and convenience.
Though you probably wouldn't read the whole Bible but a few verses used to back up divine right or something like that.
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u/PalePlumm 5d ago
My 6th-8th grade social studies classes had lessons on religion and we read parts of the bible, quaran, torah, etc. You don’t read it as if it were fact, you read it as a cultural legend that influences people’s beliefs. We read that side by side with Greek mythology too. So long as it’s taught objectively and with other religions equally, it’s a great way to introduce religion’s impact on society in unbiased ways.
And yes I grew up in a blue state.
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u/Fruloops 5d ago
Religious texts give insight into different cultures, their morals, how their societies were formed, how it evolved through time, what historical events surrounded the founding and progress of religion, and so on.
There's benefit in learning about religions of the world, whether you put it in history class, or somewhere else. We had a "religion and culture" class for this purpose in highschool.
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u/iamwhiskerbiscuit 5d ago
There's a difference between learning religious history and learning scripture. In my school, they taught us about Jesus, they taught us about Mohammed, they taught us about Buddha, Hindu gods etc. At no point were we reading the Bible, the Quran, or anything of that nature.
Reading a fictitious story about God sending a man eating bear to murder a bunch of children for mocking a bald ass man is not history.
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u/SheenPSU 5d ago
I will never understand how that Texas shit isn’t BLATANTLY unconstitutional
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u/coffee_coffee_coffe3 𝙑𝙄𝙋 5d ago
It is. It’s our Appellate Courts and the Supreme Court that have decided that the Constitution no longer says what it says… just what they want it to say.
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u/10xwannabe 4d ago
Agreed 100%. There is separation of Church and State for a reason that should include public schools.
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u/asu3dvl 5d ago
Well the orange genius just praised Allah, so who the F knows anymore.
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u/panteragstk 5d ago
Dude. I think we all need to try and minimize our viewing of the bullshit.
One batshit crazy thing after another is doing a number on all of us.
How the fuck are they gonna spin that tweet or whatever the fuck it's called now?
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u/WhenDid_IGet_ThisOld 5d ago
You are absolutely right. I have been cut off from the world while dealing with a serious illness and I am just now catching up on all this shit and I have never been so angry and agitated in all my life. I can't stand corruption or stupidity and we are swimming in both.
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u/JamesHenry627 5d ago
Allah is understood to be the same God as God with a capital G. Strictly speaking it's not wrong, but contextually, no westerner would call God, Allah in a non muslim context.
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u/TheRealScaramucci 5d ago
A great example I saw. Queso means cheese in general in Spanish, but if an English speaker in the US says "queso" they mean a specific kind of cheese dip.
So it's the same thing. Allah is the word for god in Arabic, but if an English speaker says Allah in the US they are specifically talking about god in a muslim context.
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u/Frogfisherman07 5d ago
As a Christian, I think it’s extremely dangerous to have the Bible enforced in a government-mandated system (in this case, schools). It turns what should be a personal choice for a relationship with God into forced study, which will do nothing but turn people away from God and His Word. Plus, kids will probably have a lot of questions (as all people should when reading anything), and these teachers probably aren’t necessarily going to have all the answers, defeating the whole purpose. I love reading the Bible, but forcing people to read it is not how you instill a love of God’s Word into people, it’s how you villainize Christianity.
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u/DoqHolliday 5d ago
It was so fucking obvious to me even as an early twenty-something, 15+ years ago…
That the people screaming about the Qoran and Islam taking over the US were the same people ACTIVELY trying to turn America into an ACTUAL theocracy.
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u/Minimalistmacrophage 5d ago
Direct violation of the separation of church and state.
Religious education mandated by the state.
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u/Belgaraath42 5d ago
True that's what the country voted for, or more important did not bother to vote against (70% of American voters did not bother to stop this regime by voting against it)
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u/baka_inu115 5d ago edited 5d ago
Honestly I am catholic who lives in Texas and I hate these laws they are passing. Seperation of Church snd State is meant to prevent a theocracy and religious persecution. That was one of the founding ideas of this nation. Its is not the governments job to teach religion.
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u/CattaTronixRex 5d ago
Man created religion as a tool for control.
It’s also their favorite excuse for rape and murder.
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u/sdkfz250xl 5d ago
Yeah we are a single party state down here right now with a state government that takes directions from our “Christian Taliban” and passes laws to punish citizen in the big democratic cities.
But turnabout is fair play and paybacks will be hell.
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u/thereisacowlvl 4d ago
Religion is a cancer on society because the people who run the religions are usually people who take it too seriously and those who don't take it seriously should be punished for it. Religion brainwashed people into obaying authority because if you believe there's a higher power the people cracking the whip are the ones who are "chosen" by that higher power.
Giving religion to kids when they're young instill a fear of disobeying, and a lifelong guilt of being alive. Being alive is this great gift from God or Allah when in actuality your parents had unprotected sex and your mothers body did what it evolved to do. Religion should be like alcohol or cigarettes, a child shouldnt worry about burning in hell for eternity or however Islam describes their hell, a child should be playing in the yard or with their friends. In my eyes religion is tantamount to child abuse, filling their heads with fears of not only the world around you but their own thoughts.
Why is it ok to tell them there is a man who watches every single thing they do and judges them for every single thing they do and if you do any of the list of things that this one person does not like he's going to send you to a place where you'll be tormented for eternity? Why is it okay to take your children to places where they have been proven to molest children and then you leave your kids alone with Father "not allowed to have a wife or have sex because God says so" who if he's caught doing that will just be moved from that church to a new one so he can be Father Mcbadtouch somewhere else?
When religion does something for children other than having them be molested, used as pawns in a stupid game, filling them with fear and guilt, and teaching them that if someone in a higher authority says something you have to obey or you'll be punished for eternity, then maybe we can talk about it. Those books are nothing but cudgels used to keep people in line.
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u/Kenman215 4d ago
“Religion brainwashed people into obeying authority…”
Agreed.
Just like political parties brainwashed their constituents into thinking that anyone who supports the other party is the enemy, instead of the government that fails to represent us.
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u/No_Joke6536 5d ago
No religion works unless you start indoctrination early. Imagine telling grown adults that you have this magical invisible friend who is all powerful and has been perving on you while you wank your whole life......
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u/BoxForeign4206 5d ago
I mean... isn't the rise of many successful religions not a counter argument to your statement?
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u/Stabpology 5d ago
Conquest and war are tried and true methods to spread religions of peace and love as well.
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u/Minimalistmacrophage 5d ago
has been perving on you while you wank your whole life......
For some that might be a strong selling point.
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u/ConstantLight7489 5d ago
I’m a Christian, and it pisses me off they are making people read the Bible in TX.
That’s directly against the constitution, and what this country is built on. We are supposed to be accepting of all, and not for or against any religion.
Hopefully this law will get overturned quickly. And before you Reddit keyboard warriors get all mad, no even this current Supreme Court will not let a law like this stand.
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u/Minute_Complex_8754 5d ago
Both cults are dangerous. Same with the Catholic religion.
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u/SlashAndBurn4286 5d ago edited 5d ago
Catholic is the same thing as Christianity. Its better to just say all three Abrahamic religions are a threat to humanity.
Edit: accidentally typed treat instead of threat 😅
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u/bb85 5d ago
The fact you think Catholicism is another religion makes me think you aren’t familiar with what you’re talking about.
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u/Stabpology 5d ago
Focus on the least important thing that he said, then dismiss the rest as you deem him ignorant.
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u/Drakahn_Stark 5d ago
The real bible?
Because last time I read from a bible I almost got kicked out of the church. (I was there for a family member, not for me)
And I was only reading the parts about what sacrifices god expects for what sins, something Christians do not want to hear from the bible apparently.
(I was actually kicked out of school scripture for asking too many questions, I only went because they bribed us with chocolate but even as a kid I could not let nonsense go unchallenged)
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u/echolm1407 5d ago
Oh, one who dared to ask questions. Good for you.
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u/Drakahn_Stark 5d ago
As a result I have near infinite patience for a kid who asks questions, other adults have asked me how I can do it and it is because I was the kid that never got answers.
And kids often have better questions than adults, many that completely stump me and so I sit with them and teach them how to research answers.
I especially love it when it is something I do not know at all, but once they ask, I also want to know, the one that comes to mind was "If snails are so slow, how do they find each other before they die?" because it was something I could have guessed at, but certainly did not know for sure before looking it up. (Basically, there are many of them, and their senses are honed for finding each other, to oversimplify)
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u/Maleficent_Eye4524 5d ago
Well, for what it's worth the law doesn't go into effect until 2030. But yes, I googled it and it's true.
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u/Malvexon 5d ago
Both parts made me "mad". Am I winning?
Jokes aside though school shouldn't be involving any religion or political views. It should solely focus on education.
When i was in school I had a teacher actively trying to convince people to be a republican. He would literally insult students who disagreed with him.
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u/MartyFunkhoosier 5d ago
Ironically people in Texas homeschool to keep religion OUT of their kids’ heads.
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u/Phantom_Ghost9 5d ago
Our country has long established a separation of church and state.
We've even established that this also applies to public schools as they are establishments funded by our government.
If this is true and Texas is requiring children to read the Bible, what they are doing is actually unconstitutional.
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u/Real-Document-6577 5d ago
Yeah but that would require a brain and MAGA has no problem with the double standard.
They really don’t get it.
Or worse, they’re full of shit. They know damn well but they’re like “yeah but Jesus is awesome and Mohammed is lame! So our religion is the number one, suck it America!”
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u/Hater_of_allthings 5d ago
I am by far not a liberal. The Bible should be taught in sunday school not public school.
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u/Period_Zicky 5d ago
Everyone who talks about the differences between Islam and Christianity should read the Quran and the Bible. Most people don't know what they're talking about.
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u/Dank_Devin 4d ago
Texted this to my Trump supporter dad. He called me absolutely livid arguing that it’s not the same thing and reading the bible is good. It honestly just made me really sad, I don’t think I realized just how far down the rabbit hole he was until he saw this meme 😕
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u/Bright-Duck-431 5d ago
I refused to stand for pledge back in early 2000s and got hauled off by a cop two times, nothing has changed.
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u/No-Break6679 5d ago
Had to actually look this up because they tried to say my state was doing this and it was proven to be false. But yeah this is something Texas is actually implementing wtf
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u/Taricheute 5d ago
School should only be for scientifically proven facts.
No religion, no ideology, the problem is, republicans are pushing religion in schools, and democrats are pushing ideology in schools. And that's not specific to USA, no-one wants the new generation to think by themselves.
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u/Crispydragonrider 5d ago
I think school should prepare kids for living in society. Part of society is interacting with other people and a certain amount of knowledge about cultures and religion isn't a bad thing. I do think it should not be just one religion. Just teach kids about christianity, islam, hindoeism and buddhism. Let them visit different ceremonies, or let them engage with elders from these religions for genuine conversations about their religion. If the kids are brought up with religion they learn that different religions can have a lot in common. If children aren't brought up with religion, they can understand better what happens if you are.
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u/Alarming_Advance_669 5d ago
Respectfully disagree about teaching religion to children. That's what church and college level courses are for. As a parent, I never took my kids to church. Never discussed religion. When they moved out, they did their own exploration of it. At one point, they fell into a cult (Cornerstone Church, Pastor Hagee) and I told them they were in one bit of course they denied it was a cult. I asked them if they still associated with people outside the church and after some thought they both admitted they didn't but chalked it up to coincidence. I then challenged them to make it a point to do so and miss a church sponsored event because of it. They were members of the band and their absence would be noticed and felt. They informed me a week or 2 after that indeed, they were in a cult. They were asked about missing the event, how it hurt the band and didn't they realize that their old friends were evil? That anyone outside the flock was suspect? If my son's had gone through that experience when they were younger, they may not have recognized the efforts to control them as cultist behavior. I say no religion in school. Plenty of time for brainwashing at home and church.
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u/seungchip 5d ago
Uh, nah. We do need to teach philosophical stuff too. Not in the sense of black and white absolutes, but to promote critical thinking and logical reasoning.
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u/CarolinaSurly 5d ago
I’m Christian and read the Bible. If it’s read in public schools than so should other religions’ books.
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u/bboy2812 5d ago
Should kids be taught about religion? Yea.
Should kids be indoctrinated to a religion? No.
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u/HotCardiologist1942 5d ago
treating it like myths or fairytails for literature class is fine
not anywhere else
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u/GoingGangbusta 5d ago
Even then it is not fine
The states have 0 right to teach any singular religion to kids in public schools
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u/DuchessElva 5d ago
No reading any religious text in public schools should be forbidden the only time it should be taught is when the mind of the person is far more developed i.e. college because then they can have actual adult conversations about it. Otherwise keep it in your home or in your church/mosque.
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u/MonstrousWombat 5d ago
Christian mythology has no place in schools, just as Islamic mythology has no place in schools
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u/DataSurging 5d ago edited 4d ago
I mean... if I had to pick one between the two to tolerate being taught in school, it surely is not Islam. A lot of people here like to claim it's just like the others, but I assure you, it is not. If you picked up the Qu'ran and read even 10 surahs, you would understand why.
(and before anyone freaks out about being biased: I'm not religious. I hate religion. I just know comparatively, Islam is much, much, much worse.)
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I angered some people. I encourage all of you to grab a Qu'ran if you do not believe a word I am saying. And once you are done with that, have the "fun" of reading the hadith, which are extremely important to the Islamic faith, acting as supplemental instructions left by or taught to Muhammed's pupils, including his own child-wife Aisha (who is considered a great scholar in Islam).
I have spent twenty years with this religion. I know it. Inside and out. I am not saying other religions like Christianity are perfect and good. It isn't. But if I had to endure which religion to be ruled under, it will never be Islam. I will provide for you sample surahs you made educate yourself with.
The surah on inheritance and witnesses/law, an-nisa and al-baqarah, is a great start. In an-nisa, you will learn how a Muslim husband is instructed on how to beat his wife if she dares to defy him. It doesn't stop there for an-nisa, either. See, in verse 24 of this surah, it tells you that you may rape your female slaves because Allah made it lawful for men--regardless of if they [the Muslim husbands] have a wife already, or even if your slaves are married. 4:3, in particular, will really show the differences between Islam and Christianity. Here's but one excerpt from the surah.
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا۟ فِى ٱلْيَتَـٰمَىٰ فَٱنكِحُوا۟ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَـٰثَ وَرُبَـٰعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا۟ فَوَٰحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـٰنُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰٓ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا۟
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphans, then marry those that please you of them—two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then marry only one or those whom your right hands possess (slaves). That is more likely to prevent you from deviating from justice.
If you want to keep going, read at-talaq, it also paints a lovely picture for women and little girls.
Oh. And in al-kahf, it also justifies the murder of an innocent boy because he MIGHT have "burdened" his parents (who are believers) by disbelieving [in Allah] in the future.
Any of these you can simply google if you refuse to or do not own a physical Qu'ran or have no access to aquire one. Be mindful though. Some sites like qu'ran.com will translate the English omitting many of the Arabic words. Which is a grave sin in Islam, but they do it anyway. I would suggest at the very least, comparing, and then google translating to make sure that they are not omitting words or completely mistranslating them. It is part of the reason many Muslims do not like the digital distribution of the Qu'ran, because it can be altered like the Bible and Torah were.
I will end it here. I told myself years ago I would never delve this deep into the argument of Islam again, but some things you just can't help. Ruined a record with this shit. Do not be fooled, people. Do not be indoctrinated into the cult of religion.
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apparently I'm a christian now because i said islam is worse? lmao keep it coming. hilarious stuff. also people, yes, of course we dont have to choose. the point i was making was that if it had to happen between the two, at least it isnt islam. im not saying i want one or the other taught in school. please use your brains for more than two seconds and read what you are responding to. thank you.
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u/ChloroquineEmu 5d ago
It's the same bullshit, we're just used to seeing Islam portayed as terrorists.
The bible says rapists should marry their victims.
It's all about what insane shit they choose to actually put in practice.
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u/DataSurging 5d ago
It is not. I've read the Bible and the Qu'ran. They're both violent, but you have got to be some kind of special to think Islam is not, in fact, comparatively worse.
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u/FewAct2027 5d ago
Worse than what? Have you read the old testament?
Now go and attack\)a\) Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”
And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. 21 Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
“Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing.”25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.
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u/Soggy_Association491 5d ago
And when you burn the bible in front of a bible thumbing crowd vs burning the quran, which one will get you killed?
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u/Undietaker1 5d ago
The bible has chicks wanting to bang horses with donkey levels of cum.
Men sacrificing their daughter to save a strange man they dont know.
2 daughters getting their dad drunk so they can fuck him to get pregnant.
A woman(teenager) convincing her husband she didnt cheat then 3 random guys showing up with presents when she gives birth to her child.
Gives instructions on giving abortions.
The bible isn't exactly a good book for kids to read as far as fairy tales go I'd stick to more age appropriate ones.
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u/MeatSlammur 5d ago
Yep. I’m an atheist who grew up Baptist. All of the quotes used to complain about Christianity are from the Old Testament which is followed by Judaism. Out of the 3, New Testament is by far the most peaceful text.
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u/DataSurging 5d ago
A lot of people in this thread have no idea what a comparative is. No one is arguing the Bible is full of peace and flowers and love. It has its moments of peace/love. The Qu'ran does not. Out of all the shitty religions, Islam is the worst of them. A true plague on the planet.
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u/Drakahn_Stark 5d ago
So then give the examples, because I have read a lot of both and they are as bad as each other.
Regardless, children should not be forced to read religious texts.
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u/iRveritas 5d ago
Out of curiosity since you have read both why don't you enlighten us who maybe haven't.
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u/ReggieCorneus 5d ago
And now do christianity using the same rules. Christianity has the same awful bullshit but it is OLDER and has had to sort of forget a lot what the bible says because of society. Society dictates the moral code and religions follow that code with some delay. Religion does not define morality.
But it takes time for religions to go thru that process and if they are in control of society.. that natural process is EXTREMELY slow. So, what you are describing is NOT just religion, it is mostly about power, how to hold on to it using religion.
They are from the same tree so they are not that different.
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u/ChiefCheese-1 5d ago
What's stunning is that people today actually consider comparing the two. And it's not their fault. Evangelicals leadership just uses the Gospel as window dressing now. What they are pursuing is implementing the "Law of Moses", which is similar to "Sharia Law". They will receive their reward.
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u/shittinandwaffles 5d ago
I'm with you. I'm a staunchly un-religious person now. But when i was young i went to church. I tried a few different denominations. Baptist, Christian, catholic, and read about a lot of other religions. Abrahamic and non. I study a bit of islam, and learned that out of most that i had learned about, it was by far the worst. Satanism and Lucifarianism aren't as bad as that shit. I'm not gonna quote any of any of it to anyone. Religion is a crutch for a weak mind. Peace, my good man.
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u/SignificantPeanut765 4d ago
Damn man I've been a Muslim for like a year and recently started reading and I didn't know that stuff. Even not in the modern day like 200 years ago this must've raised some eyebrows...
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u/SadisticJake 4d ago
Only decent thing you said was the very last sentence. I live in Texas and don’t encounter many Muslims, the cultists around here like the same book you’re championing
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u/Fun_Particular9794 5d ago
I dont believe any religious texts should be forced upon anyone. Religion is a flimsy smokescreen for controlling behavior.
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u/BarnabasShrexx 5d ago
There are morons out here who think the US was "founded" on Christianity....
Secular governance. That was and should still be the vision the founders had.
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u/Asleep_Impact_9835 5d ago
lmao religion is for sheep. get herded. even the bible calls yall that to yo face
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u/Devils_A66vocate 5d ago
Unless you enrolled your kid in a private religious school the only likely truth to this bait(either direction) is in a class called “world religion” where you definitely should read from all the scripts and learn about them. Not be indoctrinated and pressured to believe it but academically go over culture, facts, words from their religion.
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u/LabRevolutionary8975 5d ago
Texas passed a law to allow their public schools to teach the Bible. That’s the true part. It goes into effect 2030 and it definitely won’t be a world history class.
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u/SopaDeKaiba 5d ago
Don't forget the mandatory display of the 10 commandments. No other religion's rules are required.
And then they don't bar the posting of other religions' stuff at the state level, but individual school boards can decide what "decorations" are allowed on the wall, and therefore can make teachers remove competing religious texts.
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u/KerooSeta 4d ago
I put a slightly bigger poster of the Bill of Rights next to mine in my classroom. Then a judge made the district take the ten commandments down but I kept my poster up and left the space next to it blank.
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u/achaiahtak 5d ago
We’re lucky kids can’t read these days…oh wait…*cries sad noises
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u/herbieLmao 5d ago
I was taught about islam in schools in germany when I was a Child as well. They don’t teach religion to make you a believer, they teach it so you learn what the religion stands for and can thus do criticism from any direction.
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u/SevenBillionChickens 5d ago
You can’t trick religious people out of doublethink, it’s their bread and butter, their lifeline, their only true love. Besides their imaginary watchman, of course.
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u/Atomic_Gerber 5d ago edited 4d ago
It’s almost like some people haven’t figured out that they should keep their imaginary best friends to themselves. Fuckers will try to clown on the Book of the Dead or the Quran and then really try to give you a Bible as though it’s not a fucked up book of parable and hearsay.
Like I thought we realized with our countries founding that separation of church and state was a good idea…. Texas is just backsliding into the Bronze Age.
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u/samumehl_ 5d ago
bitch in bavaria we still have mandatory religion classes. if you’re not christian, then you have an ethics class, which is basically the same thing, just so schools can say we don’t indoctrinate children to something they don’t want.
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u/Alarming_Advance_669 5d ago
Chuck Norris is big fan of Sharia Law of the Christian variety. So glad Bruce Lee kicked his butt.
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u/AlcoholPrep 5d ago
Suggestion for TX parents: Prime your kid to ask about passages like the Song of Solomon.
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u/Empty_Marketing_16 5d ago
No im more annoyed that religion is being taught in schools. Sorry but the Bible didn’t give us cars and HVAC.
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u/Normalguy-of-course 5d ago
We live in Tx and my son is starting kindergarten this year after going to a Christian pre-k for 2 years. He says stuff all the time like “daddy, the Bible is dumb” and “Jesus is just pretend, right?” It makes me LOL so hard. I’m a comparative religion nerd and am always listening to podcasts and books about textual criticism, church history and debates with him in the car. He hates it. Reverse indoctrination I guess.
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u/redditblowsfu 5d ago
My kids would be suspended because I would be teaching them the Bible at home and all the contradictions within it. They would be going to school and constantly questioning, debating, and refuting all of the books to the point that the teacher would become overwhelmed and unable to debate against the logic of my children.
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u/Cola_Gummi 5d ago
I had to read Genesis in a college lit course. It was in the Norton Anthology of World Masterpieces. A wonderful piece of fiction.
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u/DocGhost 5d ago
Honestly I would be 100% against if I didn't have a gut feeling that they were going to edit the hell out of the Bible.
But like if it's just the editions of the Bible that are out I have a lot of friends that became "less Christian" after being forced to read the Bible because they started listening to the Bible.
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u/SameDistrict2627 5d ago
I knew this was a fake because something like 48% of NYC public school system can't read at grad level.
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u/Significant-Ant8132 5d ago
Actually changed my Perspective lol i forgot how some did some biasness made its way into my mind
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