r/ShittyFanTheories • u/Grand-Force-4304 • 13h ago
Comparing Owl and Chief Bogo's secret tests of character and trickster mentor moments in "Pooh's Grand Adventure" and "Zootopia 2" Spoiler
I theorize that in both “Pooh’s Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin” and “Zootopia 2” Owl and Chief Bogo had been giving Pooh and his friends and Nick and Judy a secret test of character in the form of Batman Gambits to prove their true potential and improve on their flaws all along as a trickster mentor would and here is why:
In “Pooh’s Grand Adventure” Owl despite the honey being on Christopher’s note did read it correctly and spelled “School” as “School” correctly and not “Skull”, but rather than just be honest to Pooh and his friends about what happened to Christopher and him going away to school for the autumn, but will be back every afternoon, he decided to test Pooh and his friends to prove their true potential and solve their biggest problems (Like for Pooh, his sadness over Christopher leaving, Piglet, his fears, Tigger his doubts about his strength and Rabbit his intelligence and whether he can have original thoughts without following directions.) without Christopher’s help and accomplish things independently by tricking them into assuming that the note said that Christopher was captured by a Skullasaurus and held prisoner by him in the “Eye of the Skull” at the Skull Cave in the “Great Unknown” and therefore sends Pooh and co. on that mission to save him and undergo the secret test of character described above and the reason why he never accompanied them was to avoid making it all look easy for them making the test meaningless and providing an inaccurate map for them to follow also part of Rabbit’s test and their intelligence test (They have to get to the Skull Cave by following the landmarks on the map, not its footstep directions leading in circles.) and once Christopher got home from school Owl explained to Christopher the situation and sent him to the “Eye of the Skull” at the Skull Cave to meet Pooh and his friends at the rendezvous point to prevent their journey from being a “wild goose chase”. (Owl also sent them on an easy journey; it looked harder and more dangerous from the point of view of Pooh and his friends due to their illusions created by their fears and loneliness that disappear after they reunite with Christopher.) So the test seemed harder from the point of view of Pooh and his friends than Owl original intended. It’s unknown if he found it out at the end after they returned.
Despite it happening the hard way, Owl’s test worked exactly as planned and Pooh learned that no matter when he and Christopher are apart, they will always be together and therefore make peace with his absence since he will always be in his heart, and Piglet learns that he is braver than he believes, Tigger learns that he is stronger than he believes and Rabbit learns that he is smarter than he believes and doesn’t need to follow directions from a guide or book to accomplish things. Eeyore also admitted that his friends still also would have learned these lessons even if Owl didn’t send them on that journey.
In “Zootopia 2” doing so in a similar way to how Metro Man did with Megamind in the titular character’s 2010 DWA movie, After Nick at the Zootennial Gala manages to prove to Chief Bogo Gary De’ Snake’s existence and convince him to call off his and Judy’s firing from the ZPD despite betraying his police code of conduct twice in a row to help them deal with Gary, Bogo while he grudgingly obeys realized that if he did let Nick and Judy off the hook and keep being the partners and cops they are, they might still repeat their same old mistakes as ones over and over again due to their dysfunctions he constantly tried to get them to realize and learn from and improve on but failed and knew the only way for him to do so was to send them on a life-threatening adventure to cause them to realize those problems he was nagging them about and resolve them as a direct result, since he tried to convince them of them the strict, threatening and therapy way, it never worked. So that might be his last option.
So Bogo does so by arriving in the fireplace room Nick, Judy, Gary and the Lynxleys are in and despite being aware of Gary’s sudden surprise by the cold climate and rather than dodge it allows himself to be fanged by the viper accidentally allowing the Lynxleys to take advantage of this and Captain HogBottom’s gullibility to frame Nick and Judy causing them to go on the run from the law having to clear their names and solve whatever Judy is obsessed with regarding Gary on their own, (The Lynxley conspiracy) but also realize the consequences of their dysfunctions and problems that he had been trying to nag them about in Jerkass Realizations and resolve them as a direct result since the fugitive thing and near-death experiences will further fuel it, because though Bogo gets quickly cured of the viper venom he was injected with with the anti-venom while in the hospital, (Since Judy and Nibbles also recover from the snake venom that PawBert injected them with very quickly with the anti-venom, less it could be assumed that PawBert injected them with lethal cobra venom smuggled across the seas alongside Gary and the venom Gary injected into Bogo accidentally was viper venom that just puts Anyone injected with it in a coma before it either wears off or it is cured with cobra venom, and it takes quicker to recover from viper venom than cobra venom using the power of anti-venom.) but pretends that he is still ill from his viper venom and recovering in the hospital and never calls HogBottom and tells her that Nick and Judy are innocent so they would be set free instead having Nick and Judy clear their names and have HogBottom and the cops figure it all out on their own, also to test them as well due to them letting their jealousy over Nick and Judy’s fame as cops blind their common sense and fall for the Lynxleys’ lies about their betrayal to arrest them to get the fame they got even if it meant not using protocols cops shouldn’t normally use to do so, and once they finally figure out the police brutality that they are committing they will learn to resolve those flaws that they personally have as well. With Bogo unintentionally also taking advantage of Milton Lynxley being more obsessed with hunting down Nick and Judy plus Gary rather than put him down in the hospital with poison and lie that he died from his viper venom to do so, to keep Nick and Judy’s true innocence a secret with the truth of it never being revealed because in case Nick and Judy do fail, he can always jump out to save them and help them clear their names on his own. (And defeat the Lynxleys who he may find out are actually evil at that point in time.)
Although Bogo’s test worked out at the end, despite also happening the hard way, because while on the run from the law having to clear their names and solve the Lynxley Conspiracy, Nick and Judy both succeed with this but also with Gary and Nibbles' help and realize the problems and dysfunctions in their relationship and personalities that made them bad cops and friends that Bogo had been trying to get them to understand, (Jerkass Realizations), especially after it nearly destroys their relationship, separated them, put them in near-death experiences and nearly allowed the Lynxleys especially PawBert to win, though it more so also took emotional support from both Nibbles and Gary for them to realize and admit it and they both tearfully apologize to each other for it, and admit their emotional insecurities that made them that way in the first place and form a healthier more positive relationship that finally becomes romantic plus partnership and become better friends and partners, and better morality and compassion which they use alongside Gary and Nibbles’ teamwork to finally bring the Lynxleys to Justice, it also caused more harm than good in terms of in four examples:
- Costing Zootopia yet another mayor after a short lived period in office as one after both Lionheart and Bellwether since Milton took advantage of Winddancer’s ego and fear of losing his job to work with him and send the police after Nick and Judy to arrest them and though Winddancer redeems himself and turns against Milton, Cattrick and Kitty and aids in their arrests he may as well be removed from office as mayor once the De’ Snake family arrives by them exclusively for his mistake and make the grizzly bear vice mayor of the city the city’s new mayor. Though it was never confirmed.
- Nearly allowed the Lynxleys to win in terms of destroying all evidence of Agnes De’ Snake being the city’s true founder keeping reptiles outcast from the city and expanding TundraTown across Marsh Market relinquishing the remaining reptiles in the city as well. As if he cared more about convincing Nick and Judy to change than what’s truly best for the city.
- Indirectly giving Nick and Judy karmic overkills for their dysfunctional relationship and flawed characters because while they were selfish, immature and delusional, they still would have eventually learned to grow out of them and become better people and partners even if they didn’t go on that on the run from the law adventure Bogo set them up to go on, that also nearly got them killed and turned them against each other Déjà vu to the Enchantress who cursed Prince Adam and turned him into the Beast in Beauty and the Beast (1991) as well as its human castle servants into household objects. It also caused Gazelle and her tigers whom Bogo was a big fan of to get themselves arrested for fending off the Zebros and cops pursuing Judy, PawBert and Gary in crimes of assaulting cops and aiding fugitives until Bogo managed to pardon them and bail them out of prison offscreen due to Gazelle and her tigers being shown pardoned in their concert for the end credits for the movie.
- Allowing Captain HogBottom, Truffler and the cops who chased Nick and Judy to become more relentless, incompetent and selfish than originally intended in terms of how they quickly fall for the lies of the Lynxleys after they frame Nick and Judy and make Gary look evil just as Agnes is, nearly aiding the Lynxleys in repeating history in the process, and become manipulated by them minus PawBert to the point where they commit police brutality and reckless endangerment and protocols cops shouldn’t traditionally use not even Nick and Judy despite the cowboy cop antics they committed at the start, (Especially given the fact that Officer Bucheron tried to tranquilize and cause Judy to fall to her death just because he saw her as a dangerous criminal and Officer Chevre downright assaults Nick ragefully and HogBottom almost fired a poison dart on Judy before deciding not too until Higgins bumped into her and accidentally caused her to fire it anyway.) and though they do come to their senses about it after HogBottom overhears Milton ordering her to use lethal force on Judy, PawBert and Gary and witnesses Judy nearly sacrificing herself to save PawBert and Gary and Nick, Nibbles and Flash coming back to save her and Higgins, Bloats, Chevre and Bucheron witnessing Gary saving Judy with anti-venom before knocking them out and locking them in the weather wall control room to save Nick from falling to his death. Though HogBottom and these cops do redeem themselves for their mistakes at the end by helping arrest the Lynxleys, their police brutality must have gotten them fired from the ZPD or taken off the field as cops and given mandatory therapy with Dr. Fuzzby for this reason while also straining their relationships with Nick and Judy (But they were likely also at therapy to learn how to forgive them.) who only acted nice towards them while in public in the final scenes in the sequel causing the ZPD to lose most of its important cops and teams that Nick and Judy have to do the duties for. Speaking of the devil, it also caused Nick and Nibbles to cause a prison breakout in order to escape and Nick, Judy and the ZPD now have to work hard to re-capture all the criminals that were freed starting with Bellwether.
Although Zootopia 2 ended with Chief Bogo being happily visited by Nick and Judy plus Gary and Clawhauser in the hospital with Nick and Judy now understanding why Bogo nagged them in the first place and apologized for rebuffing it, (Bogo also quickly forgives Gary for accidentally fanging him since he intended for it to happen.) and him happily partying in Gazelle’s concert in the ending for how his test in changing Nick and Judy worked, he may have to face the consequences for his trickery when he admits that he set Nick and Judy up to be framed in the first place and faked still being ill while in the hospital to get them to undergo their secret test of character by going on that adventure causing him to be admonished and fired from his job as police chief or worse arrested for that and abandoning his duty as police chief and never once confirming Nick and Judy’s innocence while they were on the run from the law to solve it themselves that caused all these problems mentioned above also indirectly allowing crimes and police brutality to happen making Officer Pennington or Officer McHorn the new police chief of the ZPD for seniority and having a more positive attitude.
Rafiki the Mandrill acted as a trickster mentor in The Lion King (1994) towards Simba in an obvious way maybe same towards him again and Kiara, Timon and the other characters in the 1998 sequel, 2004 Midquel and The Lion Guard series, but Owl and Chief Bogo do so in a less obvious way.