r/ScottishFootball • u/Stophmcc • 1d ago
A generational head loss?
No. Absolutely not.
This is a head loss archaeologists of the future will cater entire modules around.
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u/ManicPanda767 1d ago
Argentina will be fined... maybe... But that's it.
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u/ToothpasteBrand 1d ago
Seems like Spain-Gibraltar issue is worse to fifa because Gibraltar are a fifa member. The falklands aren’t and the precedent for this would be when Argentina have done exactly the same thing previously and just had their FA get fined
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u/Bennie_boy_1987 22h ago
Third time has to be more than a fine as doesn’t seem to have a effect just to fine them
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u/Rare-Register545 1d ago edited 23h ago
Very strange post.
I take delight in englands loss as much as any lad but this is not a head loss. A standard political response to a political issue with Argentina
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u/hairychris88 1d ago
And also worth remembering that many Scots served in the Falklands
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u/MisfittingPieces 1d ago
And many Scots settled the islands, im pretty sure it’s mostly Scots and the Welsh who settled there
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u/AhYeah85 1d ago
And fuck them as well.
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u/MisfittingPieces 23h ago
Someone seems upset the Fascist junta lost 🤭
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u/flex_tape_salesman 1d ago
Ya political statements don't necessarily need to be good or bad anyway they simply get punished. Ireland wore a 1916 commemoration on their jersey in the 2016 and got fined but the 1916 rising would be overwhelmingly be seen with sympathy today by anyone who knows what happened
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u/Halk 1d ago
Have to admit I really like the last sentence
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u/danmac0817 1d ago
most normal quote I've seen from that prick
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u/NVACA 1d ago
It's funny because he is actually a football fan, unlike politicians that pretend (hi David Cameron) to seem more relatable. Should have shown more of that side in office.
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u/Waspkiller86 23h ago
It's always the politicians who should be in many ways relatable that have the hardest time projecting that to the public.
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u/thejuice37 22h ago
Yet he still somehow manages to come across as a complete lizard when he speaks about football. Genuinely amazing.
Maybe it's an Arsenal fan thing?
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u/Disastrous_Cup_3279 1d ago
What exactly is problem with how reaction is going? He said its a matter for FIFA - which it is
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u/Disastrous_Cup_3279 1d ago
Not sure its a head loss - political statement made in political arena rather than on pitch. Think we are verging on obsessive with all this tbh
Last paragraph a bit pathetic I can just look at this without any bias
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u/Imaginary-Suspect959 1d ago
The Falklands is one of those things Scottish people think English people always talk about when we don’t. We don’t go around talking about ‘66 all the time either, on account of the fact most folk alive today have no memory of it. Most of us say ‘it’s coming home’ ironically and because it annoys people, I don’t know anyone who really believed England would win any of the last half a dozen tournaments we’ve competed in but surely the whole point of football is daring to dream, otherwise in a world where the same old teams win more often than not most of us wouldn’t bother supporting our teams from one game to the next.
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u/MusicMadeAddictz 1d ago
We dont think you walk around talking about 66 daily, but we know for a fact whenever national football is on your pundits shite isnt far behind it.. no problem with the england national team, its the fans and the pundits.. the pundits especially.
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u/CrossCityLine 23h ago
Haven’t Celtic just released a kit with a 60th anniversary of the European Cup win? Seems a similar thing to England “always banging on about 66”.
If England had that on their shirts they’d have been ripped apart on here.
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u/MusicMadeAddictz 23h ago
Believe me Celtic fans arent happy with the amount of strips were getting either.
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u/CrossCityLine 23h ago
You don’t seem like a happy bunch in general lately tbh 😂
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u/MusicMadeAddictz 22h ago
Thats what happens when yer clubs sitting on millions and signing rangers level players unfortunately
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u/realcreamstick 1d ago
While I’m sure you would love for everyone to believe this, and you probably want to believe it too, you’re talking shite.
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u/Imaginary-Suspect959 1d ago
Ah yes, I obviously don’t know what I’m talking about as an Englishman who has spent more than half his life in England but some guy off Reddit who’s probably been to London once when he was wee knows me and the English best, gotcha
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u/realcreamstick 1d ago
You see, before I was really just guessing that you were taking shite, now I know you are. Thanks for clarifying that.
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u/Imaginary-Suspect959 1d ago
Enlighten me as to how you know what the English think and say when I suspect I’m completely correct in that you’ve spent close to zero time south of the border in your life?
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u/muscles83 1d ago
What? Your the one claiming to know how Scottish people think, why are you getting het up with us doing the same ?
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u/realcreamstick 1d ago
Let me enlighten you about how I know you’re talking shite. You keep having to make vague guesses about me to try and make yourself feel better about being called out. That, my friend, shows you have absolutely no faith in your argument.
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u/Imaginary-Suspect959 1d ago
My argument is there in black and white - I am English, this is what I think, and this is my lived experience. You’ve got no counter to that because you know fuck all about life outside of Scotland.
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u/OngoTheManSpider 23h ago
Nobody thinks that....
Ironically, THIS is some heedloss. Love to see it.
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u/GieTheBawTaeReilly 1d ago
It's a bit of banter ffs, the argies being up the Falklands every 5 minutes is far more embarrassing tbh
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u/MortonDill 1d ago
No idea why Argentina keep going on about it. Why keep bringing up a war that they embarrassingly lost and were also clearly in the wrong about? Even Americans aren’t this bad about Vietnam
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u/Siggi_Starduust 1d ago
Reddit, Facebook, Twitter etc.
The fallout from the Falklands conflict has always been there but it’s really been turbocharged in the last decade because anger breeds clicks.
Personally I feel sorry for the residents of the Falklands. Apart from a fairly heated few months in the early 80’s they were left alone for centuries to knit sweaters and milk penguins - or what ever it is you do in a place that makes Shetland look like Ibiza- and all of a sudden they’re in the world’s spotlight because of a football match.
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u/Illustrious-Milk6518 20h ago
I can imagine it’s quite stressful. I know Argentina have never stopped going on about it, but the threat that they might try and invade again seems like it’s still there
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u/No_Consideration3307 20h ago
Brilliant post mate, especially the penguin part. Aye it's ridiculous, that two fairly well off middle power nations were willing to go to war, with each other for a couple of frozen windswept islands covered in penguin shite. I mean was it right that Britain sailed the world saw a bit of land inhabitanted or not and called dibs, no absolutely not, but that's not the fault of a bunch of innocent sheep farmers who live in the Falklands today. Just like Britain should leave the Scottish alone to live their own lives, Argentina should do the same for the islanders, self-determination before all else, that's what Scotland stands for and we should stand up for the islanders as well.
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u/The_Bunglenator 23h ago
It's become a national myth and it's tied up in misguided bullshit about sovereignty. It's brexit times a million.
But it's also political suicide to speak sense about it there so it's a constant cycle of news, politicians and public endlessly reinforcing the nonsense.
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u/BelethorsJunk 23h ago
Yeah I'm no British nationalist but I feel it's quite daft wee man syndrome of Argentines to go on about the Falklands to try and wind up England fans, especially when they can draw on the much more successful windup back catalogue of 1986/1998.
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u/ZiggyOnHisReindeer 22h ago
There's a large oil field near the Falklands, and Argentina wants that. It's also a bit like trademark enforcement them, I reckon, if they don't regularly reiterate the claim, they feel like their claim might be seen as invalid.
Let's not forget though, that the people on those islands consider themselves to be British, and they exercised their right to self-determination, voting on the order of 99% in favour of remaining as such.
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u/Extreme-Self5491 22h ago
Yep, its really cringey how they think its such a big deal, they have a lot of problems in that country that they shoud be concentrating on instead. I thought they were the better team and deserved the win but I really dont like the way they play and then react. I hope Spain gubs them.
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u/Imrahil_Dubh 1d ago
Because victimhood narratives are a very strong element of nationalism. It galvanises group identity to have an oppressor/enemy and is particularly useful in countries with a great deal of corruption as it distracts from fixing actual problems. I think this is very true of Argentina who repeat the same victimhood story to each generation, and they seem to be a country with a lot of people who get irrationally passionate about things beyond the point of reason, which doesn't help. Also, unlike European nationalist movements that have a lot of history to form an identity, though often have nationalist mythology themselves imbedded in their beliefs, countries like Argentina which are the products of colonialism don't have the same history to lean on, therefore I think it's understandable why they obsess over something like the Falklands (which they have absolutely no moral or legal right to).
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u/Additional-Past-8539 1d ago
This is desperately trying to make something out of nothing. About as level-headed a statement as you'll see and somehow you read it as a head loss? There's a bit of tongue in cheek in that last sentence and it's quite funny.
We can feel good about England going out of the tournament - we don't need to make up other bullshit things to mock them for today
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u/Euclid_Interloper 1d ago
I think the English are taking it quite well honestly.
And they're right to call out Argentinians bringing this kind of politics into the sport.
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u/Throwaway187493 23h ago
Man even infantino is bringing politics into sport now. That ship has sailed.
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u/Euclid_Interloper 22h ago
It's just annoying. I mean, being a Hearts fan, there's obviously a history there, even if it's not as bad as it used to be. I really just hate it, I wish historical grudges and other nonsense would be kept out of the game. At all levels.
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u/BananaT6 1d ago
Im all for English head loss, but you can't be pulling out a flag like that on the pitch. Fifa is supposed to be anti any political messaging, there have been some exceptions, and this def falls into that category
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u/Outside_Look790 1d ago
It's going to be another 20 grand fine or a slightly larger one seeing as it's a repeat offence. Nothing to see, nothing to note
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u/zellisgoatbond 1d ago
I could see a world where there's some suspensions for a game, a bit like Rodri and Morata getting suspended for a game for singing "Gibraltar is Spanish" after the 2024 final - compared to the last time where it was vs Slovenia, I could see being vs England as an aggravating factor. But that would almost certainly be assessed after the World Cup if anything
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u/A_Ticklish_Midget McGhees Rolls 1d ago
0% chance FIFA bans Argentina players before a World Cup final
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u/Shameful_pleasure 1d ago
Oh they will.
But it'll be suspended for a year and carried out before a friendly
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u/mrjohnnymac18 23h ago
I wonder how widely known it is that Britain fully backed the junta and its Dirty War for years prior to the invasion
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u/Limp_Entertainer_410 1d ago
I mean hes not wrong. This is the sentiment. If you actually listen to the song you get what the sentiment is. Its uttered ironically at first and then usual with a small hope towards the end. Never the certainty that is attributed with it.
Are there a few dickheads who are serious? Sure, but they exist in every country.
As for the Falklands, half of them couldn't point them out on a map. That includes Scots and English. It just doesnt inhabit the space people think it does in the minds of the average person, very much unlike Argentina.
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u/Relevant-Form-3351 1d ago
Berwick-upon-Tweed is Scottish!
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u/Creepy-Hovercraft170 21h ago
If there’s a England v Scotland match in the future would be hilarious if someone got that banner
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u/LudicrousPlatypus Our Favourite Danish Guy 1d ago
I mean the Falklands are British and Scottish soldiers fought to keep them as well.
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u/Hot_Recognition_4864 23h ago
“The world cup may not be ours but the Falkland Island is” is hilarious
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u/Gink1995 1d ago
It’s good but it’s not as good as the months long campaign for Celtic to forfeit a game for a pitch invasion it’ll be hard to top that
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u/Euclid_Interloper 1d ago
That was over the top. But Celtic should have been dragged over the coals. The fine should have been much higher, and the suspended penalty for further invasions should be games played behind closed doors, not a piddly 1000 seat reduction. That's barely a rounding error in Celtic attendance.
Pitch invasions before the final whistle, even when the outcome of the game is effectively guaranteed, is beyond unacceptable.
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u/fike88 1d ago
I don’t understand the headloss over this daft flag. Everyone knows the islands don’t belong to Argentina, everyone knows Argentina tried to take them and got battered trying, everyone knows a vote happened and the falklands overwhelmingly voted to remain British. They weren’t even Argentinian to begin with. It’s a nothing flag, a bit of shit housery but that’s it. I think the English media are sore at losing last night and they’re lashing out
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u/T_Engri 1d ago
It’s only getting brought up by them again because their currency is in freefall. The Argentinian Peso vs USD charts are unbelievable.
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u/Economic_Maguire 1d ago
Argentina are generational fumble of a country. Messi doesn't even wanna go back
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u/MoreFly4620 1d ago
It would be a nothing flag if it wasn’t being held aloft by their national football team. If Scotland voted for independence then The English football team waved a flag saying Scotland is ours would you call that a nothing flag
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u/fike88 1d ago
They’re just footballers though, hardly geo political movers and shakers. And they’d just won a match in the dying minutes, they were rubbing it in
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u/MoreFly4620 1d ago
So you think FIFA should remove these rules? Since they’re just footballers?
Politics and football are quite well intertwined if you look back through history
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u/fike88 1d ago
I never said that. But there’s a lot of people getting wound up about some footballers rubbing a win in the opposing team’s faces. And that’s what i’m on about
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u/MoreFly4620 1d ago
Do you honestly think if it was just that the prime minister would be commenting on it?
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u/fike88 1d ago
He has to say something. Because if he didn’t, aw cunt would be down his throat
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u/MoreFly4620 1d ago
No if it was just people rubbing in a defeat they wouldn’t be commenting on it. Don’t be daft.
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u/fike88 1d ago
What? Of course they fuckin would. They’re raging they just got beat, so any wee annoyance is going to cause uproar. Especially something to do with the Falklands, it’s a sensitive subject and an easy target to get under folks skin. We had journalists and ex politicians saying celtic fans attacked hearts players when they ran onto the pitch on the last game of the season. When in fact, nobody got attacked. They were just sore and wanted to lash out, Celtic fans getting called animals and vermin. I’ve seen this play out before
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u/MoreFly4620 1d ago
Make your mind up what you’re talking about. You said they were getting wound up about the win being rubbed int heir faces. And i asked you if it was just that would the PM comment. The PM is commenting on the falklands stuff, not the won being rubbed in their faces….now you’re saying the PM has to comment because of the falklands. Make your mind up what you’re trying to say.
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u/YesterdayIsatoutside 1d ago edited 1d ago
When Argentina became independent in 1816, it inherited Spain's territorial rights. Argentina therefore considers the Malvinas to have passed to it at independence.
The UK disputes this, saying Britain's claim predates Argentina's independence and that Britain has exercised continuous administration since 1833.
So this is where the argument comes from it's not as simple as they weren't Argentinas to begin with but I can understand both sides.
Edit: Not trying to annoy anyone but that's just where the claim comes from
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u/VaughanThrilliams 1d ago
it’s actually incredibly simple, the people that live there want it to remain as British. How can you understand a 200 year old inherited colonial claim taking precedence over the desire of the people living there and affected by any change?
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u/Stophmcc 1d ago
Like the Russian people in Crimea and Donbas, aye?
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u/VaughanThrilliams 1d ago
Is Ukraine meant to be Argentina in this tortured analogy?
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u/Stophmcc 1d ago
No, the ethnically supplanted people in one instance are the ethnically supplanted people in the other instance
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u/Digurt 1d ago
I really don't want to defend the English here, but there weren't any ethnically displanted people in the Falklands. It was uninhibited at the time of settlement
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u/Stophmcc 1d ago
Really? I had always thought they had used it previously as some sort of penal colony which, admittedly, isn’t a particularly romantic endorsement of the islands 🤣
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u/SM-MFC1886 21h ago
They were uninhabited until the French made a settlement there. Spanish and British then followed. French sold their colony to Spain. UK left. Spain left. Buenos Aires then claimed it after independence but their settlement failed cause of America (Where Argentinas claim comes from). Then the UK settled it again.
Of all things the UK has ever done it's one of the few times nothing actually bad has went on. But doesn't stop Argentinians acting like the Falklands are the same situation as Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, NZ or even their own country where a population replaced and stole land from the ones that lived there before.
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u/VaughanThrilliams 1d ago
who did the Falkland Islanders ethnically supplant?
And I don’t think there is any relevant analogy to Crimea/Donbas here
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u/Limp_Entertainer_410 1d ago
Are you saying that Penguins are ethnically supplanted people?....
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u/Stophmcc 1d ago
Yeah 🤣
Nah, I should’ve used whatever the antonym for supplanted is.
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u/VaughanThrilliams 1d ago
so you are trying to compare the “ethnically planted” people in the Falklands conflict with the “ethnically planted” people in the Crimea/Donbas conflict? I’m lost
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u/Stophmcc 1d ago
No, you’ve got it 100%
Throw the ones in Northern Ireland, Xinjiang and Tibet in with them as well if you like.
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u/IsThatGlock 1d ago
If the Russians (together with the Ukrainians) conducted a free & fair referendum (with impartial international observers) on the populace and they voted to become a part of Russia, then why not? It would be self-determination after all
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u/Commercial-Name2093 1d ago
And it's a great way to deflect from poverty rates, inflation, human rights issues, the missing...
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u/zellisgoatbond 1d ago
I think in part it's a bit of original motivation being exploited a bit over time. Argentina do probably believe they have a legitimate territorial claim, but it helps their politicians to saber rattle a bit to stir people up and try and get them on side [or try and keep a brutally unpopular junta in power hence the original invasion]. The UK probably genuinely supports that the people of the Falklands want to stay British and are happy with the way things are, but also knows it's an issue that's near-universally popular when it crops up, and at the time of the invasion Thatcher wouldn't have complained about an easy war to get her popularity up in the polls.
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u/phoria123 1d ago
I would say that 30% of the population is British military and the remaining population do work in some connection for supplying/helping the military.
Leaving would be against their own interests which I would say warps the argument
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u/Stophmcc 1d ago
Britain didn’t recognise Argentina’s independence until the ‘treaty of friendship commerce etc etc’ in 1825 and it only signed that to stop Spain re conquering South America.
The treaty doesn’t even mention the Falklands/Malvinas and, well, here we are.
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u/MusicMadeAddictz 1d ago
That last part might well be the only statement from him that ive ever even smiled at (usually you walk away pisses off)
What does the sign translate to?
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u/Courageous91 22h ago
This isn't a head loss. This is a completely normal statement to make in light of a banner being shown which is, not even subjectivity, false.
The Falklands have been British since before Argentina was even a country. They went to war to take them and lost. Badly. Do they even have a navy anymore? Genuine question.
Their right wing government keep going on about it for the same reason the Orange Faced Wanker keeps going on about Greenland. Because it distracts from the actual concerns of their country.
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u/KCIMBJGnR 1d ago
England before the game: let’s make it all about the Falklands
England after the game: wait, no not like that
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u/Obrix1 1d ago
Nobody from the England camp made it about the Falklands? I don’t think it’s been mentioned by a single player.
Reaching this hard to compare some blowhard politicians looking for column inches to the actual Argentina squad just looks daft.
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u/FingersMcCall 1d ago
Aye but the fans certainly did
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u/TWOPlNTSPRICK 1d ago
Is it a requirement to post on Reddit that you have act unbelievably obtuse for no apparent reason
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u/Additional-Past-8539 1d ago
Fans and the team are very different entities and should be held to very differrent standards. Why are you obtusely pretending otherwise?
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u/Digurt 1d ago
I'm delighted England are out on their arse, but in total fairness to them (🤢) I didn't see a lot of noise about the Falklands from the English side prior to the game - that very much seemed to come from the Argentineans saber rattling.
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u/smclcz Větší lžíce 1d ago
It was non-stop “you need to support England, think of the Scots who sacrificed their lives in the Falklands” here and on [r/Scotland](r/Scotland) for the last few days. It was awful
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u/I__am__Wilson 1d ago
Someone kept posting an England shirt with an image of a warship being sunk on it… maybe The General Belgrano but I don’t know enough about it to be sure.
Saw the same shirt posted on about 4 different subs yesterday, the OP thought it was hilarious and just banter. Now a bit of spray paint on a bed sheet has their collective knickers twisted.2
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u/Scheming_Deming 1d ago
"especially Spain". What about the Armada? How soon they forget
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u/sossighead 1d ago
Another country that disputes some British territory.
The Spanish claim over Gibraltar holds up a lot better to scrutiny as well.
However the comment is clearly tongue in cheek. It’s fairly obvious this isn’t a head loss as the OP claims. FIFA do need to consistently apply their own rules - Argentina have been fined for this in the past. Which is all this needs to amount to. No suspensions or anything.
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u/Crhallan 1d ago
Yeah, that sort of political statement in football is just bullshit. Needs to be kept out of it.
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u/DogeLikestheStock 1d ago
Anytime I bring up the fixation the English had with the Falklands leading up to this game, I’m reminded (by the English) that Scots died in the Falklands. Right 44 years ago. You join an army and you’re send where they want to send you. Reference: I was in an army for 20 years. No hate to either side. Wars are just poor people fighting because of people like Thatcher, Bush, Hussein and Galtieri.
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u/TWOPlNTSPRICK 1d ago
I’m sure the people of the Falkland’s appreciate your sentiment of ‘no one cares about you. We’re just there because we’re poor’.
Or whatever the fuck you’re trying to say.
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u/InfamousEvening2 1d ago
Tail wagging the dog again. Some prick on GB News complained about it and Labour asked 'How high ?'
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u/CyberSparkDrago 1d ago
it was a flag grow up jesus... england fans brough up fakland left right and center
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u/Persephonically 1d ago
The fucking anglocentrism again.
If you're the prime minister you cant talk about the world cup as potentially being "ours". There is no UK in football.
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u/RaspberryNo4498 23h ago
For once I actually agree with him, and that is something I never thought I would say
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u/weapwars 23h ago
Eh? This is all fine. If Argentina want to be political then it's appropriate for the UK to respond while also acknowledging it's a FIFA issue.
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u/Calm-Treacle8677 23h ago
What if Russia was at the World Cup and the players held up a banner saying Ukraine belongs to Russia or Israeli team holding up a sign saying Gaza belongs to the Jews. That would be cool? Or would it be head loss to respond to that
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u/StephanieMirage 22h ago
"Headloss" and its just asking fifa to enforce their rules like they did to spain.
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u/Bennie_boy_1987 22h ago
By Argentina why bring politics into football it’s against the rules so why won’t we appeal to get them banned or at least fined for the third time
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u/mcneill12 1d ago
How many of the English fans losing their head over this and calling for the England based players to have their visas revoked do we think talk about free speech when a right wing looney starts their racist shite? It’s a daft banner get over it.
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u/ianmac55 1d ago
What are Starmer & English fans thinking? Can it be that they prefer the country that claims Gibraltar over the country that claims the Falklands? They haven’t really thought it through, have they!
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u/Direct_Elevator1576 1d ago
Sevconians: this is how utterly stupid it looks when you lose then make false allegations about the winners.
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u/free-cookie 23h ago
What Jurisdiction does FIFA have in the USA for free speech?
I get that the Bank of England has sex orgies and rapes/eats children along with American politicians, so I understand their extortion, but maybe they shouldn't be so open about persecuting free speech in the USA. They can fuck off.
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u/Disastrous_Cup_3279 23h ago
Its on a pitch under FIFA regulations and political statements are not allowed. Its that simple
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u/Additional-Past-8539 21h ago
Absolute word salad based entirely on 'I have no idea about anything here but I'm still personally offended by it'. Gtfo
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u/free-cookie 20h ago
It is in my country. So you can GTFO. Let them have whatever flags they want. If they end up on tik tok and embarrass themselves, that is their karma.
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u/Additional-Past-8539 20h ago
Nothing to do with countries you absolute fud. FIFA rules are clear in that teams or players may not have displays containing political messages which this very much is. You don't need to make yourself a victim of something entirely separate in order to insert yourself into the conversation.
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u/jfk9514 1d ago
You think theyd be supporting Argentina. They’re just trying to claim some land that they believe is theirs whether the people there like it or not. Not to dissimilar from other happenings.
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u/Siggi_Starduust 1d ago
Ok. Hindsight is always 20/20 and I may have had a bit to drink but couldn’t this and a whole heap of future problems been avoided if the League of Nations had chosen the Falklands for the independent nation of Israel instead of Palestine?
I know it would probably be a bit awkward what with Argentina providing refuge for so many Nazis but there’s some pretty treacherous seas between them and I kinda feel the traditional Hassidic attire of heavy black overcoats and thick woollen hats is probably more suited to the Falklands climate than the harsh deserts of the Levant.
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u/free-cookie 23h ago
Israelis love Argentina. It is not an awkward relationship at all. In fact, Zionists like Nazis. Jews don't like Nazis.
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u/RumJackson 1d ago
Seems a pretty sensible statement tbh. Bit cheeky with that final comment, in a good way, can’t fault that.