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u/AmericusBarbaricuss 11h ago
You won when Obama and then Biden were at the helm. You were in charge in 2020 and have continuously cut staff at every agency that was here to support election security in advance of the 2026 federal election. Your administration reeks of bad faith.
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u/Koreage90 10h ago
He does reek but that’s not bad faith. That’s just what he normally smells like.
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u/Alacrout 10h ago edited 1h ago
I mean, it’s the reek of bad faith in addition to all the things he normally smells like (diarrhea, formaldehyde, probably some really shitty cologne).
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u/mrbasedballed 8h ago
Bad faith? This administration reeks of purposeful criminality against our country.
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u/9966 4h ago edited 3h ago
I'm tired of people acting like this figure head is pulling any of the levers. Look at those press conferences. Everyone one around him is complicit. Not only that they are his handlers. They tell him what he's doing that day, what he's signing, "it's an autograph!" and generally running the show.
Treating this as "oops I accidentally destroyed the Republic" when it's really a very controlled demolition with thousands of complicit party members.
Removing the figurehead at this point does nothing. We've lost.
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u/ZumboPrime 7h ago
Not just bad faith. Outright, open corruption that they aren't even making an effort to hide. That, and feces in his diaper.
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u/SunkEmuFlock 5h ago
This is mostly them yapping so they can justify ignoring election results come November. The fact that they've been talking about it will be used as evidence where no actual evidence exists. It'll be enough for smooth-brained Republican voters to buy into it, and either all hell will break loose or 2026 is the end of democracy in our country. Just you watch.
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u/ScrubsNWhyC 1h ago
Hmm maybe because they weren’t doing a good job and fraud was rampant… lol Reddit is hilarious
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u/sonomamondo 11h ago
spot on
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u/NewestAccount2023 10h ago edited 10h ago
No, this severely misrepresents what Trump did. Let's read the literal transcript together:
So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.
He didn't spitball some number, he looked up exactly how many votes he needed then asked the governor to find exactly that many plus one. This shows just how incredibly corrupt the request is and that it has absolutely nothing to do with supposed fraud.
Trump was pointedly asking the governor to figure out how to add at least 11,780 additional votes for himself through any means possible. He didn't say "there was fraud, let's prove it and correct the record" (there is no proof, Trump went to court 60 times and never produced evidence, literally, look it up), no, he said "create 12k votes for me out of thin air. Scratch my back I'll scratch yours wink"
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u/ChainedNmaimed 9h ago edited 8h ago
Whats incredibly corrupt is you FURTHER misrepresnting what Trump said and what the phone call was.
Raffensburger was arguing that he wasn't going to spend millions of tax payer dollars and time to find MILLIONS of fraudulent votes...
To which Trump replied you don't have to find millions only 11,000.
Because that's what would prove a fraudulent election.
Liar liar, plants for hire.
I get it, you all are mad, but every time you bring up this lie; I WILL correct it and people WILL go listen to the phone call and people WILL never trust you again
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u/LordoftheScheisse 8h ago
but every time you bring up this lie
What lie? In the phone call, Trump made a whole lot of unsubstantiated claims. He also asked Raffensperger to find the number of votes he would need to flip the state. Here's the full transcript of the conversation (cry about it being a CNN link, idgaf).
MAGA is a mental disorder.
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u/ChainedNmaimed 8h ago
Yes he told Raffensperger to find the numbers because Raffensperger REFUSED TO EVEN LOOK. His excuse was it would cost too much money and too much time....
I know I already said this but you clearly didnt read it.
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u/LordoftheScheisse 8h ago
Raffensperger REFUSED TO EVEN LOOK.
Read the transcript. It's right there. There were many, many investigations referenced. None of them corroborated the BS claims Trump was making.
His excuse was it would cost too much money and too much time....
Where in the transcript does Raffensperger say this? Quote it right here. Right now.
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u/ChainedNmaimed 8h ago
Oh cool now I have to explain to you how quotes work and that I didnt make one. That (tax payer money+time) excuse IS his argument throughout the phone call. Regardless if Trump was bringing frivolous claims or not.
THAT WAS HIS ARGUMENT.
The phrase "I'm not going to spend taxpayer money funding millions" was uttered in the broader context of Georgia politics, often reflecting Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's approach to election audits and state funding.The quote aligns with statements made by local officials pushing back against demands to fund costly, exhaustive reviews or extensive new election requests. The sentiment mirrors Raffensperger's established stance on keeping the state budget strictly controlled, avoiding the allocation of taxpayer money to partisan "witch hunts", and his broader political criticisms of unequal campaign spending.
Listen to the phone call yourself people. Don't believe the words of these sycophants.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 7h ago edited 5h ago
How would doing all that work and using all that money have been in the citizens' interest when there was no credible reason to believe there was large scale voter fraud, based on the audits and investigations that had been already done? Using huge resources to investigate every outlandish claim made in bad faith is not practical, necessary, or sane.
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u/Oggie_Doggie 3h ago
"Listen to the phone call yourself."
Yeah, I did. And Trump is a fucking mob boss who wanted to steal an election. At this point, I have to assume you're either severely mentally ill or a bad faith actor.
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u/nodtomod 8h ago
Liar
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u/ChainedNmaimed 8h ago
The phrase "I'm not going to spend taxpayer money funding millions" was uttered in the broader context of Georgia politics, often reflecting Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's approach to election audits and state funding.The quote aligns with statements made by local officials pushing back against demands to fund costly, exhaustive reviews or extensive new election requests. The sentiment mirrors Raffensperger's established stance on keeping the state budget strictly controlled, avoiding the allocation of taxpayer money to partisan "witch hunts", and his broader political criticisms of unequal campaign spending.
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u/Lucky_lule 6h ago
Brother can you come with a quote without asking an ai
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u/ChainedNmaimed 6h ago
You're 1 of 9(?) in this thread. Like, none of you can see each others comments or something.
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u/Etchii 58m ago
It is pointless to try to get these people to be honest. Anyone without an agenda understands he was asking him to look into various reported instances of irregularities, needing only 11k to prove he actually did win.
We can go on to say they did look after the fact and didn't find enough, but in that moment that is exactly what he was asking him to do. They know it, but they just lie and then claim you are the one with a mental disorder for having reading comprehension skills.
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u/lackofabettername 8h ago
And here you are "misrepresnting[sic] what Trump said and what the phone call was."
The governor was arguing
This was a call with the secretary of state of Georgia, a republican, Brad Raffensperger, not the governor.
was arguing that he wasn't going to spend millions of tax payer dollars
That was never mentioned in the entire phone call. No mention of spending at all actually. They did end up spending at least a million dollars doing recounts though.
They also did the largest hand tally of election results in US history.
and time to find MILLIONS of fraudulent votes...
That was never mentioned in the entire phone call.
Trump replied you don't have to find millions only 11,000
That was never mentioned in the entire phone call.
Here is the transcript. Why don't you refresh your memory. I remember this call and the subsequent press conference by Gabriel Sterling vividly.
What did happen was Trump whined for a full hour claiming all sorts of fraud without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
Listen to how Trump starts his argument, "I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 people a rally and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense."
Really, rally size is what you're basing this all on? Rallies during the worst pandemic in a century? It's nonsensical.
Trump then proceeds to come up with a litany of claims without any supporting evidence and Raffensperger tells him that his claims were investigated already and tell Trump exactly why his claims were invalid, but Trump would either just move on to his next claim or claim the investigators were corrupt, again without any evidence.
After Trump is repeatedly denied about his claims of a few thousand votes being fraudulent here and a few thousand votes being fraudulent there (he claims they add up to hundreds of thousands but never said millions as you wrongfully stated), he then starts to wind down and beg by saying, "All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state."
Truly one of the most pathetic transcripts of any president in history. I encourage everyone to read it.
Notice how not once does Trump mention his new China, the "Deep state", or illegal immigrants in that transcript which seem to be his latest claims. He has completely moved on from the arguments in the transcript it seems. I wonder why.
Oh, as an added bonus, here is one of my favorite Trump arguments, during his Jan. 6th 2021 speech just a few days later, that the election was stolen just because it is so easy to prove wrong and is just more evidence that he never had any real evidence to begin with. "You know what's interesting? President Obama beat Biden in every state other than the swing states where Biden killed them, but the swing states were the ones that mattered." What a whiny, pathetic chump. You are pathetic for defending him with misinformation.
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u/ChainedNmaimed 8h ago
Nope
The phrase "I'm not going to spend taxpayer money funding millions" was uttered in the broader context of Georgia politics, often reflecting Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's approach to election audits and state funding.The quote aligns with statements made by local officials pushing back against demands to fund costly, exhaustive reviews or extensive new election requests. The sentiment mirrors Raffensperger's established stance on keeping the state budget strictly controlled, avoiding the allocation of taxpayer money to partisan "witch hunts", and his broader political criticisms of unequal campaign spending.
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u/lackofabettername 7h ago
Nice AI response. Did you even read it? Local election officials are not the secretary of state. Try harder.
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u/ChainedNmaimed 7h ago
Because all of you are saying the same things, so copy+paste is easier than dealing with each individual manipulative tactic you people pull.
The context is the "phone call" and Raffenspergers "excuse"... You lost the plot on this post.
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u/Tacotuesday867 7h ago
The one thing I'm happy for in this thread is everyone sees through you and your lies.
Brings me hope for the future.
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u/ChainedNmaimed 7h ago
You can see the thoughts of everyone that can see this thread, huh?
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u/Tacotuesday867 7h ago
Don't be obtuse, it's not cute it makes you look churlish.
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u/von_Mises 7h ago
So this person spends time writing, in detail, a response to you and you just respond with this same copy-paste reply. Amazing.
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u/HuttStuff_Here 2h ago edited 2h ago
Why do you keep repeating this post like it's a gotcha?
edit: of course you're an r-walkaway poster.
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u/ck17350 8h ago
Ugh, so I just listened to entire hour and two minute call. It’s actually far worse. Trump asks Raffensperger (not the governor BTW) to trash various categories of ballets throughout the call. Trump actually says that Raffensperger can pick one or two of the smaller ones because they only need 11,000 votes.
This was AFTER two recounts and investigations had already happened by the FBI and local law enforcement for the numerous false allegations of voter fraud. So Raffensperger stood his ground based on the facts while Trump called every agency involved incompetent or corrupt and continued to insist Raffensperger throw away legitimate votes in order to give Georgia to Trump.
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u/ChainedNmaimed 8h ago
The phrase "I'm not going to spend taxpayer money funding millions" was uttered in the broader context of Georgia politics, often reflecting Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's approach to election audits and state funding.The quote aligns with statements made by local officials pushing back against demands to fund costly, exhaustive reviews or extensive new election requests. The sentiment mirrors Raffensperger's established stance on keeping the state budget strictly controlled, avoiding the allocation of taxpayer money to partisan "witch hunts", and his broader political criticisms of unequal campaign spending.
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u/Parahelix 7h ago
to find MILLIONS of fraudulent votes...
You mean those millions of fraudulent votes that Trump has been claiming exist ever since 2016, yet has utterly failed to provide any evidence to substantiate his claims, despite filing dozens of lawsuits about the election? Those "millions of fraudulent votes"?
How about I tell you to spend millions of dollars to find me a unicorn. 🙄
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u/ChainedNmaimed 6h ago
utterly failed to provide any evidence
Because the federal courts cant rule over state elections per the constitution...Yeah we know. That doesn't prove that this post isn't a lie.
Give me millions of dollars to find the unicorn, unless you know that by me finding it you'll be proved wrong. ;)
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u/Parahelix 6h ago
There's never been any evidence to begin with. It was just Trump lying about it from the very start. He was claiming it in 2015 before the election!
There have been election audits, conducted and/or observed by Republicans, in the states accused of fraud by Trump, and they haven't found any evidence.
It's made-up nonsense by a guy with an ego as fragile as wet tissue paper.
Give me millions of dollars to find the unicorn
The point is that you would spend your own money on it, just because I told you to. That's exactly what Trump tried to get Georgia to do.
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u/Negative_Pop1299 1h ago
Trump asserts unicorns are real. You believe him despite there being no evidence at all and think we should spend millions just to prove they aren't real (which some states did)
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u/jaxxxtraw 8h ago
Raffensperger is not the governor. You really need to get your story straight, because this just makes you look dumb.
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u/ChainedNmaimed 8h ago
Oh no I got a title wrong from a phone call 4 years ago...so dumb. Grow up.
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u/jaxxxtraw 8h ago
Atta boy, never give up, even when your mini-manifesto is wrong. This is basic stuff, son, do better.
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u/syedhuda 4h ago
thanks for this- common sense isnt so common. you are fighting against a giant propaganda machine; the insanity of their word twisting is finally catching up to them because many of us literally browse to see which comments are suppressed(like yours) to find the real information
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u/Negative_Pop1299 1h ago
Everything he said is a lie though. You have just decided the truth is whatever you want to believe
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u/ZephyrFluous 10h ago
Just day after day of this shit. They never stop or even care to pause and think before they post
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u/DawnyBrat 10h ago
Find 11 thousand votes? Nah. No need to. Elon took care of it.
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u/yoshinoyaandroll 10h ago
There’s a better chance that Elon used his starlink satellites to cheat the last election to give Trump all the swing states than for any 10 non citizen voting for Biden.
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u/kevint1964 9h ago
That whole thing smells of corruption, especially since Trumpolini said months before that election that he "already had the votes".
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u/yoshinoyaandroll 9h ago
When the next administration that actually follows laws and investigate crimes chooses to look into Elon’s cheating the election, DOGE stealing of US citizens info, and got private contracts for his companies are revealed, we may see some of this justice come forth.
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u/rivlecca 6h ago
When will that be?
They're going to steal elections and eliminate opponents from here on out. Already doing it even.
Fascists are winning easily in non-USA.
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u/jennasea412 10h ago
Handwritten notes taken by former Acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue document a December 27, 2020, phone call in which President Donald Trump explicitly pressured the DOJ to declare the 2020 election fraudulent. According to the notes, when Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen stated that the DOJ could not simply "snap its fingers" to change the election outcome, Trump responded: “Don’t expect you to do that, just say the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. congressmen”
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u/MentokGL 11h ago
If only they worked for America instead of trump
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u/RedditTurnedMediocre 1h ago edited 1h ago
That day Brad did. He recorded that call for a very specific reason. He knew Donald the rapist was going to ask him to break the law and he did the right thing. It took a handful of Republicans doing the right thing that prevented a coup. Mike pence didn't even trust his own secret service on January 6th. And 80+ million voters decided to give the rapist with dementia another shot.
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u/ClamZamboni 10h ago
It's easy to see the ploy here.
If he can't rig the elections before the midterms through the save act, the "blue wave" will be fraud. More fuckery ensues.
It's unbelievable that we are watching this unfold in real-time and no one gives half a fuck.
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u/Tommy2Legs 9h ago
I decided to read these unclassified documents for myself. I'm seven documents in and they literally argue against Trump's narrative. Numerous CIA memos and reports stating that foreign governments have the capability to exploit US voting systems, but it would be very difficult to pull off and wouldn't compromise the results of the election, so they probably won't do anything. There's also no claim from the CIA or FBI that the 2020 results were compromised by any foreign or domestic actor.
Why was the White House so keen to release these documents? They do nothing to support their claims.
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u/sloanesquared 4h ago
They don’t care about evidence, never have. They care that Fox News can run headlines about insecure elections or election interference by foreign countries 24/7 for the next few months. They want them to drill that fear and doubt into their cult so that when they declare the 2026 results invalid, they will shrug their shoulders and say, “I bet it was.”
For Trump, this is about his ego not being able to admit he is a loser; for the people manipulating him, this is about stealing power.
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u/Windfade 3h ago
I can't remember the specifics but allegedly Trump did this decades ago with a court case. Walked out and told reporters that he was exonerated and won and the judge dropped everything etc... but he actually lost.
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u/PirateHunterZuko 9h ago
Trump rapes and murders children. Trump enjoys doing violent rape and murder to children. Trump must be executed for crimes against humanity.
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u/EXPL_Advisor 8h ago
I strongly encourage everyone to watch the interviews with Brad Raffensperger and Rusty Bowers. These were both lifelong republicans who were all for Trump. But when Trump tried to strong arm them and suggest that help him via illegal means, they held to their convictions and integrity.
His attempt at illegal coercion is textbook election fraud, which is something conservatives seem to care a lot about - unless it’s someone in their team doing it.
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u/AbbieGator 9h ago
Mate, the US elections aren't fair or honest. Gerrymandering being legal is a hard no.
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u/Ok-Go-Chain3811 Remember when this sub was good? 7h ago
it is wild that the sitting president is crying about a previous election. oh wait, he is distracting from the distraction.....and also normalizing "questioning election integrity"
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u/MoneyBeeeee 2h ago
I think he's also genuinely pissed because he cheated in all three of the past elections but still managed to lose in 2020.
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u/Tylrt 7h ago
Not winning ≠ not fair
You can't always win. A good enough president would accept loss gracefully. But we have a petulant whiner masquerading as a president. He's a leader to fools, and a loser to the sane.
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u/hard_gravy_2 2h ago
He's not just a whiner, he's an abuser. These are abuser tactics. If people are wondering what kind of people support this fucker it's pretty straightforward. There's a couple of types.
Abusers. Abusers love this whole schtick. Abusive people do recognise Trump for what he is and they fucking love it. They play along with the DAVRO tactics and relish every moment Trump fails to be brought to account for his crimes against individuals and groups and the world. Psychologically having an Abuser as president is like having a get-out-of-jail-free card. If he can get away with it then perhaps so can they. And regardless of their failures in society ICE is hiring them.
The other type is kind of sad and I won't go into it, it's abuse victims trying to rationalize their suffering by buying in to the abuser's narrative.
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u/Synes_Godt_Om 7h ago
Actually:
They're right. Free and fair elections are the cornerstone of democracy.
How can a country have fair elections if the the majority of voters are unfairly biased against the president?
In order to vote, voters should be able to prove they have fairly considered both sides.
Just in case: /s
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u/hard_gravy_2 2h ago
the dogwhistles coming from this administration are so loud my cat committed suicide
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u/otherwisepandemonium 1h ago
"It'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote."
Trump, July 2024.
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u/Raticus9 1h ago
Morons pretending the SAVE Act is about showing your driver's license at the polls think the best way to rid our elections of fraud that doesn't exist is to hand over voter rolls to a man who has repeatedly committed fraud.
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u/Luminous_Winds 9h ago
Still have to admit that either a fair and honest election led to this mess or we've never had fair and honest elections.
I'm tired of people pushing the idea that we should use the thing that caused the problem to fix the problem it created. How about we admit that people are the problem and stop letting assholes have any control at all.
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u/Biptoslipdi 2h ago
Still have to admit that either a fair and honest election led to this mess
Not when the sitting President has suspended election fraud charges.
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u/ganggreen651 10h ago
Almost 7 fucking years crying that an election was stolen with no proof given yet. Can the media just tell him to fuck off about it anytime or?