r/LivestreamFail • u/whywhateverso • 25d ago
Ray clowns the US education system after finding out Rakai graduated high school despite missing 2 years of school
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u/TheEmoGod 25d ago
How the fuck did he graduate the kid can barely read
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u/quartzguy 25d ago
Rakai didn't just get left behind, he got tossed out onto the highway at 80 MPH and run over by the Jeep Grand Cherokee behind him.
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u/Nephs84 25d ago
And yet this dude is gonna have more money than any of us here. I hate it here.
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u/Missile_Knows_Where_ 25d ago
It's not envy that pisses me off. I've been watching mediocre people get famous for 15 years.
It's the fact that so many Gen Alpha are watching content like his and emulating the type of behavior and mannerism in hopes to chase the internet fame now that its so much closer to being in their grasp then it ever was for milllenials and older Gen Z. The boys chase clicks by pretending (or just are) clueless clowns, mean pranksters, or toxic masculine manosphere types. The girl chase clicks by creating essentially softcore spicy content under the guise of comedy, fashion, or lifestyle.
The short form content nowadays means that users can juggle following hundreds to even thousands of creators. This creates an environment of thousands of micro celebrity influencers. Seems like every Gen Alpha I know tells me they know personally at least a couple internet celebrities at their school.
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u/yung_dogie 24d ago
The latter part of your second point was something I've always thought was overblown but I notice a surprising amount now anecdotally. I have a few friends (we're later Gen Z) who are cosplayers and artists and a good chunk of them over the past few years have just turned their content more and more horny. Like more often than not if they have any following. Cosplayers going for more risque cosplays, artists posting more of themselves than their art (and even the art itself just gets more horny). One cosplayer friend has literally started cresting millions of views on her shorts once she started going that direction
Even outside of my circles I see artists that I've followed for years who went from not appearing physically (or anyone even knowing they're women) to posting themselves primarily
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u/Missile_Knows_Where_ 24d ago
I don't mean to sound like some "aLl wOmEn aRe sKaNks" chud. I think there was a period of time where most female creators were genuinely getting into streaming or content creation for the passion of it and many I follow absolutely still do.
I've also witnessed so many female streamers lean more to appealing to gooners as their views waned. It's just that a lot of the up and coming ones couldn't ignore the blatantly obvious correlation of more risqué and suggestive content leading to significantly higher views and more engagement.
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u/MrBlueA 24d ago
It's definitively true, not even have to sound like a chud people just gravitate to the easiest way to get famous and make money, for women it's to show skin and attract losers that will give them all their savings, and for men nowadays it's being a clown and annoying to attract kids and get a big following.
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u/yung_dogie 23d ago
The unfortunate thing is that while it might be the easiest way to go viral, it's still far from easy. For every dumbass/hornyposter that succeeds, there's still thousands and thousands who don't.
Like in my anecdotal circles, only one of the cosplayers going that route started cresting 1-3 million views per short (she did not start an onlyfans or anything like that), and she still needs to have an actual job on top of her relationship getting strained.
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u/icecubegone 25d ago
If you are going to compare yourself to him, why stop there and not compare yourself to the princes of the world.
Put a brake on comparison and focus on ourselves choom. Keep taking care of our health and our family. Peace
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u/Tell_Slight 25d ago
First time I’ve seen someone use choom outside of the cyber punk subreddit
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u/Curious_Beginning_30 25d ago
I would of assumed someone misspelled chomo if it wasn’t for your comment.
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u/CapableEmployment960 25d ago
Compare yourself to people that don’t have what you have
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u/TheBigSmol 25d ago
Yep, I watch long documentaries on unimaginable squalid living conditions around the world, and my ass leaves feeling grateful and satisfied with what I have every time.
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u/Jacareadam 25d ago edited 25d ago
this kind of holier-than-thou ignorance of the broken system is what allows the system to fester and function while all the good people who would be capable of throwing themselves on the gears and the levers are busy "focusing on themselves". I get the positive sentiment but this is selfish as fuck.
I say do hate it. Let the hate motivate you, but don't get lost in it. Don't let it turn into impotent rage, do something about it. Organize, sabotage, destroy until every last bit of it is ground to dust and even the memory of it is only in cautionary tales.
Somehow Howard Bales words from The Network still ring true:
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u/Supreme_Sniper_ 25d ago
He dumb as hell and gets clowned on and hated by 95% of the Internet. Plus he's clearly erratic and unstable despite his money. I'd rather be a kid that grew up in a working class family and then growing up now at middle class and just starting adult life and about to get my first job. comfortable. But also have parents that care about me enough to not let me sell my dignity online to have everyone online laugh at me.
Plus he still kinda a kid. And you know what the Internet is like. This guy will become irrelevant in a few years. And then what will that do to him mentally when he had all this fame in his teenage years and then suddenly finds himself 21-23 years old and no longer popular anymore? I feel like it'll hit him hard and it'll suck
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u/violet-lotus-201 25d ago
Not for long: unsustainable lifestyle + at some point, kids will no longer think he's cool.
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u/kawhi21 25d ago
There's such a nasty irony in "no child left behind," the country is completely abandoning them by giving them no education.
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u/howfastcanyoucountit 25d ago
tbh the parents are definitely to blame sometimes ive known multiple people who ended up in alternative school because they just ended up being absent for weeks at a time and were failing too many classes because of chronic absences, ive seen it happen and our school was rated in the top 10 public schools in the state, top 5 in the county. sometimes and often it isn't really the school system at least by itself. But not everyone has the chance to fully take advantage of their education sometimes if stuff like AP/IB classes aren't an option but nowadays it's generally pretty common, and at least in my school system we have to do at least 2 years/4 semesters of a language credit(in one language) as essentially most of the state colleges have that as a prerequisite here, but the people who aren't necessarily going to college can get that waived if they take 2 semesters of 2 different languages (usually one normal language like spanish/french/german and English Sign Language)
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u/BuffWobbuffet 25d ago
At my job two weeks ago I had to check out some graduating seniors and one of them didn’t know how to spell her last name.
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u/Sky19234 25d ago
Went to school with a guy named Jirod Brzęczyszczykiewicz (no I don't remember how this was spelled off the top of my head, I checked facebook)...I'm pretty sure he couldn't spell his own last name for the entire time I knew him, I don't blame him though.
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u/BuffWobbuffet 25d ago
Yeah no this girls last name was literally Gonzales
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u/CrazyElk123 25d ago
She mustve had to write or type her last name a few times? This sounds too insane.
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u/Present-Dot2168 25d ago
Cause it’s a lie. I have a random E in the spelling of my last name, no one spells it right, but I do. Because I’m not a fictional Reddit story.
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u/GazelleRich2452 25d ago
Was a recruiter, senior sat down to interview with another recruiter. I was taking him back since we picked him up from school. Asked him where he lived and handed him my phone to get directions. He told me he didnt know how to spell it. I asked if he knew what the street was and he says washington. The kid couldnt spell washington.
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u/metron556 25d ago
You are in denial, I have read dozens of stories just like that from American teachers
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u/axelkoffel 25d ago
Brzęczyszczykiewicz
That name is used in classic polish comedy about WWII as a joke. The main character was interrogated by Gestapo officer. And to make his job harder he used the fake name Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz from Chrząszczyżewoszyce Łękołody, knowing the officer has to write it down in documents and there's no way in hell a foreigner could spell it.
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u/Sayaka_best_meguca 25d ago
What? Of course he could have spelled his own name, it's a funny looking name to non polish speakers but if you know polish you obviously know how to spell it without any issues.
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u/SirLemming4 25d ago
yeah exactly, if you can say that name then you know how to spell it, its spelled exactly how you say it
source: im polish
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u/Alternative-Sink675 25d ago
because public school a socialized babysitting program
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u/Sierra-117-Mobile 25d ago
No Child Left Behind problem.
Basically no one can fail a class.
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u/Ok-Outcome6428 25d ago
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. I KEEP SAYING THIS.
GO TO r/Teachers AND LOOK AT THE HORROR STORIES. ITS NOT JUST HIM.
It's every graduating class since like 5 years ago. The working force is fucked. And so are we.
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u/axelkoffel 25d ago
That sub has to be the most depressing place on Reddit. I'm only hoping the situation in my country schools isn't as bad as in USA.
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u/jackofspades49 24d ago
Everyone complaining NOW about young adults not being able to read and seeing the articles... Its exactly how it feels when a parent shows up at the end of school "Why didn't you tell us our kid was failing?!"
Like... we told you. We called you. We warned you. We sent reminders. You ignored all of them. We tried to help them, but you did nothing. What did you think would happen?
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u/EcstaticBoysenberry 25d ago
Can’t the parent get in some sort of issue if the kid doesn’t go to school enough?
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u/FuzzzyRam 25d ago
Some states CPS will, but someone has to report it, they have to show up, and then the parents have to not come up with some bullshit excuse. Then the kid turns 18 anyway.
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u/BallsInSufficientSad 25d ago
They used to do that, but they stopped because it was considered racist.
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u/NotSoWishful 25d ago
And they don’t realize that removing standards does nothing but hinder people. Insane backwards thinking.
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u/MyEmbarrisingAccount 25d ago
I thought you were just dropping a racist dog whistle so I went to prove you wrong. My aplogies. Granted there were other reasons aswell, but that actually was one of them listed.
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u/EatsBugs 25d ago
They stopped requiring homework and assignments can be turned in late for full credit now in my district for the same reason.
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u/CrossYourStars 25d ago
In many states the law is basically unenforceable. There have been cases where parents have been called in front of a judge and they state that they drop their child off for school before the bell and then leave to go to work. At that point, they have very little control over whether or not their child actually attends school.
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u/Helpfulcloning 25d ago
Theres a school that went viral on tiktok that had a 98% graduate rate and something like 20% reading proficency and even lower in maths proficency. Plenty of students in the US graduate even when they are failing classes, plenty of them have turned "extra credit" into a task given in the last week of school to ensure they graduate.
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u/DrunkenDude123 25d ago
I had a friend in senior year who had 186 “make up” hours - hours of class that he skipped. He graduated after doing a one hour detention. His gpa was probably around 1.5-2.0 but my theory is the school was tired of dealing with him and just let him through
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u/DenseHole 25d ago
Read some of the teaching subreddits and you'll find out this isn't a rare thing.
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u/Anxious_Virus8843 25d ago
I think it's more of a "let's just make this kid not our problem anymore" situation.
Also what kind of shit parent just lets their kid skip two years of school
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u/barbarkbarkov 25d ago edited 25d ago
As a teacher this happens ALOT. McDiploma just so everyone’s stress level can recover.
Edit. ALOT might have been hyperbolic. But it does happen.
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u/Zzzzonked 25d ago
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u/trackdaybruh 25d ago
"No Child Left Behind" in action folks
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u/blamblam111 25d ago
That’s not what the No Child Left Behind act does, all the NCLB act did was require standardized testing, what you’re thinking of is Every Student Succeeds act
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u/AboynamedDOOMTRAIN 25d ago
NCLB does not exist anymore and hasn't for over a decade. The Every Student Succeeds Act is what replaced the NCLB and all it did was make the states responsible for testing their students the way they want to test their students.
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u/BallsInSufficientSad 25d ago
Schools are not even really run at the state level - they are run and funded at the local level.
That's why there is such a wildly different experience depending on where you live.
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u/Fuckface_Whisperer 25d ago
It passed Congress with a veto proof majority. Regardless it is better than NCLB.
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u/General_Platypus771 25d ago
No Child Left Behind was enacted under the Bush administration, but was replaced by the Every Student Succeeds Act under Obama in 2015. Things have definitely gotten far, far worse in the last ten years than the 2000s and early 2010s.
The real problem is phones.
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u/ASS_BASHER 25d ago edited 25d ago
Standardized test scores were still increasing from 2015 until the pandemic hit. In 2020/21 they were worse than in the previous 20 years. I'm glad my school district forces kids to keep their phones in their lockers, but I'd imagine that's not the norm around the country.
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u/General_Platypus771 25d ago
It doesn’t matter if they have them in lockers because they still spend every waking minute that they can on them. It’s not even a exaggeration. We took the kids on a field trip to a theme park and many of them spent the whole time in the food area on their phones.
When they are in class without their phones, they are just suffering withdrawal symptoms and are still unteachable.
Something drastic needs to happen. Like I genuinely think phones (not the phone part, but the endless scrolling short-form content) are their generation’s cigarettes.
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u/ASS_BASHER 24d ago
True but phones are a worldwide issue as well, not just the US, yet US test scores for math & science have dropped further than any other country. We used to be top-10 in both and now we’re outside of the top-30 in math. There’s probably a wider issue at play with the US education system that extends beyond phones or the every student succeeds act.
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u/GeneralSweetz 25d ago
Many should be left behind. Harsh truth but the world would be a better place with less shitty people as opposed to more good people.
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u/OpportunityGlad4706 25d ago
I get the thought process behind this but realistically those left behind children will then be jobless with no future to look forward to and they will still be a problem for society because you can't flunk someone until they are a 37 year old high school senior. They get released into the public either way
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u/DJMixwell 25d ago
Haven’t we just devalued the high-school diploma, then? Now people with functioning brains have to compete in the early-adult job market with mouth breathers who got their diploma out of pitty. Which makes it harder for “real” graduates to actually get a job to pay for uni/trade school, and will only serve to reduce the number of jobs actually available to highschool graduates overall bc employers will quickly realize (if they haven’t already) that it isn’t a useful screening criteria.
At this rate a GED might actually be more valuable than a highschool diploma bc at least they know you had to choose to go back, and pass the test.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 25d ago edited 25d ago
Well, the idea is that even if you barely graduated you did enough to get your diploma. This “passing people without earning it” shit is the problem. We have to find a better way to deal with them than just handing out a diploma. That’s how you end up with people who aren’t even literate graduating high school, a real thing that has happened.
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u/DJMixwell 25d ago
See I’m fine with “barely” graduating, if the effort is there. I “barely” passed one of my accounting courses but the prof took pity on me because I was in her office every week trying to wrap my head around it, and she could tell I understood it, I was just bad at exams.
I’m fine with an A for effort. Missing 2 years though, that seems extreme doesn’t it?
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u/PoofaceMckutchin 25d ago
No Child Left Behind means that your classes are slowed down to a halt and nobody learns anything because the teacher is trying to implement plans to stop Timmy with OCD screaming because his pencil is the wrong colour, or Jimmy faces no discipline at home because of shit parenting and so he is acting up in class.
This case is different. The more kids that do l well at a school = more funding + the school gains a better reputation. Teachers are told that they need to give students good grades even if they don't do the work, to secure a better reputation/more funding, which is a cycle.
The education system is fucked beyond belief.
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u/barbarkbarkov 25d ago edited 25d ago
By 18 if they are still a burden on everyone involved from teachers to admin to guidance to every student that has a class with them then I don’t know what to tell you. You have no idea how challenging some students can be. And it’s Every. Single. Day. For everyone involved.
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u/DJMixwell 25d ago
Send them on their way and tell them they can try and complete their GED when they’re ready to get serious. But don’t hand them a diploma and devalue the work everyone else puts in to actually earn it.
Now they go out into the job market and their resume goes in the same pile with all the other people that are “high school graduates”. Sure, it might be evident in an interview which is the better candidate, but so many resumes get binned without even a phone call because there’s just too many applicants.
Eventually employers will exclude people with only HS from more and more jobs, because graduating doesn’t mean anything anymore. Maybe they’ll require some 2 year diploma, maybe they’ll screen for private school graduates, either way it’ll make it harder for people graduating highscool to actually get a foothold in the adult world without serious help.
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u/EnlightenedNarwhal 25d ago
Alot isn't even a word.
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u/teddybrr 25d ago
I've burned that into my head because of the internet.
But at the same time I am extremely sad and disappointed because when you type this shit into german google it fucking translates it
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u/faeriefountain_ 25d ago
Brother had the chance to edit and instead misspelled it a second time lmao. Please tell me you're not an English/lit teacher.
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u/interstat 25d ago
That's literally the problem with the us education system
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u/HeavySetJello 25d ago
You cant force someone to lesrn if they refuse. This is less and education system problem and morea societal/cultural problem.
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u/xaghant 25d ago
You can't force them to learn. But you can deny them a highschool "diploma"
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u/little-horn-is-born 25d ago edited 25d ago
Then you fail them and they can either keep trying or drop out. From there it’s up to them to get a GED and pursue further education.
Pity graduations are never the answer.
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u/cyrfuckedmymum 25d ago
also the problem was kids held back or kicked out of school stopped being a problem for teachers while the kids who really insisted on never learning became a disruption in class and made it harder to teach teh rest along with being a bad influence and getting other kids to fuck around and disrupt class.
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u/little-horn-is-born 25d ago
Yeah especially in IEP classes where there’s a mix of kids with behavioral problems and kids with learning disabilities.
Some genuinely want to try while others are there because they don’t. It’s a bad mix.
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u/RoosterBrewster 25d ago
Reminds of The Wire season 4 or 5, where they try to fix the system, but it still goes to shit because the politicians want to increase the metrics in any way possible. So that shit rolls downhill until you just pass anyone.
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u/prazulsaltaret 25d ago
You cant force someone to lesrn if they refuse
Then don't give them the degree/diploma bro, wtf
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u/interstat 25d ago
You then fail them instead of passing them onto the next level when they didn't learn the current level
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u/BYCjake 25d ago
One with a child as annoying and misbehaved as that rakai kid
At the very least he’s making some money (for now). This is probably the best situation he’ll ever be in. In two years when everyone’s forgotten about him he can use some of that money to enrol in a course or something
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u/Jengalz 25d ago
Bold of you to assume he’d ever willingly educate himself or understand what that would even look like
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u/Big_Kiwi_706 25d ago
Good kids get zero leeway on any absences, bad grades, any iota of bad behavior they get the fucking hammer brought down on them.
Bad kids do bad in school and are suspended - given more time off school - skip tons of days at school and still graduate, even if your school has a listed maximum absence policy. They can have shitty grades, never turn in anything. And graduate on the same stage as the kids who actually worked, and was a respectful decent human being the whole timethe whole time.
Its the worst part of our education system.
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u/SpartanMase 25d ago
I think the biggest issue is that parents just don’t parent. My dyslexia was horrible when I was a little kid, instead of just letting me figure it out on my own, my mom took me to tutoring and therapy and now I read perfectly fine. Only thing I struggle with is spelling and punctuation. See these kids like Rakai who’s parents probably didn’t do shit and it makes a lot of sense why they are the way they are
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u/xCeeTee- 25d ago
My mum took me to therapy, but that just made me worse. She was getting me to bring up things I've long moved on from, and keep thinking about them until they eventually bothered me again. First session she asked me why I thought my dad abandoned us. When I said idk, she told me to sit and think about it for the next week. At 12 years old. After a suicide attempt because of said abandonment. At least work on other problems I had before that, like I needed anger management first. But I never did get it, because the therapist had to order it and we were too poor not to rely on government-funded schemes. If they had given me time, I could've opened up about my dad.
I hate that the school gave me so many chances, because I ruined other people's educations. I probably wouldn't have reached university, but that's on me. I eventually turned things around, but it was borderline impossible for teachers to give me the same amount of trust as others.
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u/raisasari 25d ago
The shitty thing about therapy is that, in the grand scheme of things, it is very new and people are still figuring a lot stuff out. Many think it's a magic pill, but it's guidance. And sometimes guidance can be wrong.
A good parent for a kid going through therapy is to know if things are going too fast or not. I am an adult and dropped 4 therapists because I knew their approach was not good for me, found one that was and have been improving.
I am sorry to hear your experience, because a kid at 12 years, it must have been hard to know, articulate or fight for what you actually need.
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u/xCeeTee- 25d ago
Yeah, one of my old therapists followed her guidance and referred me to substance abuse counselling because I was vaping weed. I had a prescription for it. But her guidance wasn't updated after medical cannabis was legalised, so she had to refer me and stop seeing me.
My last one kept flipping between "this isn't the right type of therapy for you" and "this is just what you need." I left because 12 weeks in, we were still talking about triggers. I kept being told we'll have an action plan in place soon, but I was told in my last session that they have changed those plans 3 times.
My first therapist as an adult helped me so much. I know I'll find another good one eventually, but it's exhausting sometimes.
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u/yung_dogie 24d ago
Yeah like when I think about my parents, they were very, very far from perfect but they were trying to be involved in my life. They couldn't read English well or anything like that but they tried to read to me. They enforced my bedtimes, restricted my computer access, told me no, and gave me some sense of priority on education that they personally couldn't have when they were kids
I have older friends now with kids and it's kind of harrowing how much some of them just let the iPad babysit their kids and let them have unfettered access to devices and everything. They'd rather pacify the kids with the tablet than try to parent poor behaviors. My attention span got destroyed when I first got a smartphone in college so I can't even imagine how fucked up it'd be if I got one unrestricted earlier in my developmental life lmao
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u/Perfect-Zebra-3611 25d ago
Thats just life.
If youre good and honest, youre expected to be good and honest, and when you arent, you proved yourself as reliable and failed, so shit falls apart and it can easily be pointed to you being to blame since you did the most and now didnt.
For shitty lazy people, theyve shown they arent good or honest and people accept that and move on. Theyve proven they wont be useful, so other people just say whatever and step up because of it. The good and honest people. And the people above them know that, and know that the shitty lazy people will never change with punishment so its barely worth it in their eyes to use that effort on them.
Its true in school, with families, at work, everywhere.
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u/Big_Kiwi_706 25d ago
It honestly makes me suicidal that we have to put up with so many shit people in this world and everything sucks and is made less enjoyable and more shitty because we have to deal with shitty people who do shitty things
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u/darkkpane 25d ago
Yeah no shit, it's to help you keep yourself on track in life. Good students will generally have a better college education, better jobs, better opportunities down the line. If they catch that you are starting to fuck that up for yourself, of course they will try to put you back on track.
The bad kids are kind of viewed as a lost cause, which has its own issues, but I understand why they wouldn't get as much investment into them when they are dealing with dozens of kids at a time.
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u/paradox-preacher 25d ago
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u/PoopyButt28000 25d ago
When I see some pictures of this kid I genuinely can't tell if this is a real picture of if someone photoshopped his face onto Pruane2forever's mouth and changed it to match his skin color
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u/saulhrnndz 25d ago
The education system’s downfall came from them not teaching reading though phonics.
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u/Big_Kiwi_706 25d ago
I was able to read and understand the meaning of Gyatt by using context clues
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u/Civil-Art-7055 25d ago
Bro this is not being said enough…but most people like to quote the numbers and never ask (in good faith) why.
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u/SenzuYT 25d ago
How do they learn to read if not starting with phonics?
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u/saulhrnndz 25d ago
They’re pretty much teaching them to memorize what a word looks like instead of learning how the letters sound and blend together. It’s a really oversimplified way of putting it so maybe someone can chime in and explain it better.
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u/gerkin123 25d ago edited 24d ago
If you're referencing the now much-maligned Lucy Calkins method, it involved cuing, which was all about teaching students to use context clues to guess words they didn't know. Only recently has the program reintroduced an emphasis on phonics (which you know, works).
Elementary school students were being given sentences paired with images. This meant that lots of students were being trained to look at a sentence, get as far as they could, and then instead of learning the unfamiliar word, they'd look at the accompanying picture and fill in the blank. So they didn't recognize the word "Tree" but they saw a picture of a tree and badaboom--they seem like they're reading.
What happens is that when you teach kids to read around words and give them easy tools to do it, they eventually reach the point where they either don't have pictures or they lack the vocabulary and the sentences can't be solved through context.
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u/TomorrowInfinite5187 25d ago
They spent years teaching "whole language" instead of phonics which is teaching kids to read whole words instead of breaking words down into sounds and rules
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u/JoeFajita 25d ago
I think this whole "death of phonics" argument that's popular right now is way overblown. While the "whole language" method didn't work and overtook phonics in many school districts, it never fully replaced phonics, wasn't used in every school system, and was mostly discredited and phased out by the late 90's to early 00's, before people like Rakai were even born. Not saying it wasn't a gross mistake, but I am saying it isn't responsible for the modern youth literacy crisis.
Phonics is definitely still being taught to American kids in the 2020s.
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u/DriverRemarkable4374 25d ago
Yeah, reading through these comments makes me think there was like a video on tiktok or something that specifically argued this and that's why people are saying it. I'm just hearing this argument for this first time now and it is astoundingly stupid as an explanation. I could see it maybe being representative of the top-down approach of education, and that the whole argument comes with other examples like no child left behind, standardized testing, and heightened core/elective ratio. By itself though obviously no, phonics are not the reason America is stupid lmao
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u/Lavender_Cobra 25d ago
"I think its this thing I just learned about from a video essay on youtube, and then saw related articles recommended to me because of that"
Happens for a ton of things, this is the latest one people parrot
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u/SherriCrimson 25d ago
The answer is, it doesn't work. We have the highest illiteracy rates in this country since before the industrial revolution.
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u/YouShouldAim 25d ago
It does and it doesn't. Our education contrary to popular belief is generally pretty good, the problem is you barely have to participate to "pass". For those that engage in the system properly they come out quite ahead.
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u/Wearecharliebirb 25d ago edited 25d ago
the usa has very high peaks in education but on average you cannot say its good
edit: this is an opinion
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u/PrimaryInjurious 25d ago
Yes, you can. Look at PISA scores. US ranks fairly well in reading and science. Math needs work.
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u/Wearecharliebirb 25d ago
ngl i think i shouldve used the word median not average. because high peaks will compensate for a bad median making the average look higher.
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u/Swimming_Bobcat4989 25d ago
our secondary education on average is top 10, our higher education is #1. the problem with our secondary education is it tied to county wealth
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u/CranberryCode 25d ago edited 25d ago
secondary education on average is top 10,
(X) Doubt
Compared to 37 OECD Nations:
Reading: 6th place.
Science: 12th place.
Math: 28th place.
PISA 2022 Global Rankings (Out of 81 systems)
Reading Literacy: 9th place (Average score: 504 vs. OECD average of 476).
Science: 16th place (Average score: 499 vs. OECD average of 485).
Mathematics: 34th place (Average score: 465 vs. OECD average of 472)
And all of these stats are bullshit because school districts fudge the numbers just like how they are passing high school kids who missed two years of class. None of our stats are even remotely true. Kinda like how india has the highest or one of the highest IQs but then it comes out that their is major cheating to pass the MCAT and get into med school. It's all fraud.
Downvote cuz mad.
Our education system is busted.
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u/PeaceAlien 25d ago
Well they did mention India too, but pretty sure Asia is known to have an issue too
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u/rayquan36 25d ago
(X) Doubt
If you type stuff like this, you're online too much.
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u/RJJJJJJJ710 25d ago
are you genuinely braindead how does any of this show the education system is busted? you can always just say all the stats are wrong so they dont count either way
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u/-Basileus 25d ago
Now look up past PISA results. The US has been climbing PISA rankings for decades at this point, and we've surpassed Germany and Sweden.
The US used to genuinely have one of the worst education systems in the Western World in the 70's and 80's. Now it's top third. Don't speak on how PISA works if you have no idea.
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u/Enlight1Oment 24d ago
did a random quick google search, who knows how accurate this shit is, but it did list USA as typically ranked 12th overall.
The United States ranks 12th globally in education, placing it behind several countries with stronger overall system performance.
Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-country
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u/Efficient_Cow_9556 25d ago
"And all of these stats are bullshit because school districts fudge the numbers just like how they are passing high school kids who missed two years of class."
See you were doing so good pulling actual stats but then you decided to start pulling shit out of your ass
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u/0D7553U5 25d ago
idk why this comment got so many upvotes when we have had historically some of the highest literacy rates in the developed world, comparted to places like France, Spain, and Germany. If there's anything worse than reading for Americans it's history ig.
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u/moose184 25d ago
We have the highest illiteracy rates in this country since before the industrial revolution.
Lol not true
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u/quiplaam 25d ago
The US has the 9th highest PISA reading scores in the world, higher than every European country except Ireland and Estonia. Singapore puts everyone else to shame though
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u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult 25d ago
demographics are changing. also there are a ton of really good schools, just like theres a ton of shit schools that are pseudo day cares because the parents dont put any effort into raising their kids
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u/Sea_Organization_239 25d ago
I’m a Rakai hater too. Ong only 11-year-olds watch that dude. Which is arguably more sad because he’s cultivating a generation of degenerate losers.
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u/Canuckle21 25d ago
I remember growing up being dumb and failing classes was embarrassing, now it’s just the norm for all these kids and we a generation where a good chunk lack basic literacy skills. The US education system is pathetic.
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u/Knotted_Hole69 25d ago
What I hate is the complete lack of responsibility from millennial parents, most of them gave their kid an ipad and checked out.
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u/Disastrous_Life_3508 24d ago
The pendulum swung from one extreme (getting abused for bad grades) to the other (getting neglected cuz your parents are failing to do the opposite of their parents).
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u/UncookedNoodles 25d ago
Its not the education system, its the parents and the culture in general. Being educated isnt seen as cool, so these kids dont give a shit. Their parents don't keep them in line at home, dont reinforce the class materials, and otherwise have no fucking clue what is going on with their children.
Its so easy to look at all the idiots america creates and say " lol education so shit ", but that just obfuscates the real problem. Its a problem with american people.
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u/RedditMapz 25d ago edited 25d ago
To be honest US High School is a complete joke. It is actually extremely hard to fail out of it. Like you really have to be trying to fail all your classes to not graduate, because teachers do all they can to not fail students.This was the case when I attended high school over 15 years ago and I've heard it's only gotten worse.
All the "You did it" signs at graduation along with families in tears felt like we were taking the first step towards idocracy being a reality. Wasn't far off as all metrics of literacy and intelligence have just been on decline since the smartphone.
Edit: I want to addess some of discourse in the comments. This comment is to address the average non-college bound student isolation the variables of school difficulty to a typical student to just pass a class. This would be C- or D+. This is to meet the minimum graduation requirements which in most states is about 2.5 years of core curriculum. Non-college bound kids usually have summer school + extra semesters/quarters to make up past failed classes.
- Yes Honors, AP, and IB courses are more difficult and theoretically could fail students. But back then that was not the majoriry of courses or students and these were the college-bound kids that didn't want to fail. Those who did fail would not move onto the next advanced course. Now that was the case in the late 2000s, I hear differently today.
- Yes there are top tier schools with higher requirements, but that is why they are rated higher and usually only keep a particular set of college bound kids. That is not the norm.
- Yes there are always some courses that are more difficult and yes some teachers can be vindictive, but that is not all courses.
- Yes some students have obstacles outside of school that may prevent them from completing their homework. But that isn't a school difficulty problem, there is a different problem to be solved.
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u/Buggabones1 25d ago
I graduated in 2009 and failed Spanish with a 69, passing grade was 70. Strict old hag. Lived in Peru for a year in 2013 and used google translate and survived just fine.
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u/moonski 25d ago
You failed mate. Not sure why you are upset?
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u/flrbonihacwm-t-wm 25d ago
In modern times, most US schools use the 10 point grading scale, and started to switch shortly after they graduated. They did it to be more in line with college grading. They still failed but I can see why they’re upset. Today his straight F would almost be a C.
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u/JaySayMayday 25d ago
Depends where you live. I went to a 3 school campus in Michigan and they absolutely failed good students. I had a gym teacher get upset with me and mark me as absent for the entire semester, I thought he was bluffing until I saw the score sheet at the end of the year. Admin didn't care to fix it or anything and still let me fail. Had math teachers that didn't actually teach how formulas worked, just expected you to know everything. Only decent teachers I had were English and history. I failed two years of school.
Then I moved to another state into a school system that actually cared about the students. They worked with me to get enough credits to make up for those 2 years. I took extra classes, worked through the summer, everything possible.
I'm from a graduation class a few years before yours but my point is you're seeing a really small picture if you've never transferred out of state into a completely different system. Maybe yours doesn't fail students but I've absolutely been in some that will
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u/lv9wizard 25d ago
Parents today don’t parent. They don’t care if their kid goes or stays, and rarely side with the teacher or school.
Rakai’s actual reading comprehension is low, and Ray who is ML can actually comprehend better than the guy who was raised in America.
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u/BitEnvironmental283 25d ago
Pretty sure I failed pre-cal but my math teacher didn’t want me in her class again.
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u/Phimb 25d ago
In England, I missed my math test by one single mark, and the math assistant came over to me on the last day and was like, "The school has to pay extra to re-mark exams, you passed by one single mark."
100% the marker just felt sorry for me.
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u/camelidus 25d ago
I watched a documentary on Netflix about American football players playing and studying in high school, and the person who suffered the most in that TV show was a teacher/counselor trying to get these players to do their schoolwork, which looked like kindergarten homework
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u/LonelyandDepressed27 25d ago
Hearing this dude talk is a fucking trip lmao, obviously English is his second language so naturally he’s going to have an accent but it’s like certain things bleed in from the people he’s surrounded himself with and the zoomer speech patterns/pronunciations. He’ll say a full sentence with his accent then just rip the most natural “bro” where if you isolate it to only that word he sounds like it’s his first language.
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u/xi_Clown_ix 25d ago
My cousin is so dumb they let her graduate high school so they wouldn’t need to deal with her anymore
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u/moose184 25d ago
It is a joke now. Some schools don't even allow teachers to give out zero's anymore. You can do literally no work the entire year and still get a grade of like 50-60. Some schools don't allow teachers to use red ink in pens anymore because it likens it to the teacher "shouting" lol. Among those you have schools that aren't allowed to deduct points for work being turned in late, allowing kids to retake tests/quizzes as many times as it takes for them to get a passing grade, not counting homework or classwork toward their final grade, not being allowed to lower grade for cheating or cutting class. US school systems are a joke now
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u/hikki20_5 25d ago
the school probably didnt want to deal with him anymore so decided to just graduate him and get him out of the school. let it be someone elses problem
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u/bdtv75702 25d ago
This guy learned the worst American accent. Bro.
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u/BottledStarfish 25d ago edited 25d ago
American accent, huh? I guess we also can't say what "accent" this is. All Americans speak like this I guess.
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u/EnvironmentalFix7059 25d ago
graduating dosen't make you a "grown ass man"
but who am i to contest what this science professor says.
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u/Organic_Warthog7238 25d ago
And people keep telling kids to go blue collar instead of college and every new hire is dumb as fucking rocks lmaooo.
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u/Calzinarzin 25d ago edited 25d ago
Literally watching the light leave half those "I'm going to be an electrician I don't need good grades" kids eyes when I tell them they need more math for that than most bachelor's degrees.
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u/Organic_Warthog7238 25d ago
I’m in machining the amount of times I’ve had to read or do math for grown ass men when doing measurements or doing inventory is something else. Hell even when we have to calculate fulcrums or whatever those shits are called when doing crane work to make sure those shits don’t crumble under weight. People would be so surprised how much math calculations may come into blue collar work. Ik when I was doing schooling for residential wiring math was involved. Props to those electricians I read a house wiring schematic and that’s when I knew I was done 😂😂 all those fucking symbols was crazy
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u/Inquirous 25d ago
It’s not fair man… As an educator I cannot stand how little accountability there is for students and parents. No, my student that only showed up for 2 days in her final trimester of middle school should not be allowed to move on to high school…
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u/BottledStarfish 25d ago
I guess we'll just avoid the obvious reason why Rakai and the like are permitted to graduate despite probably being unqualified to do so because this is Reddit.
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u/Terra-bad 25d ago
POSIWID. The purpose of a system is what it does. The U.S education system isn’t designed to produce a well educated, well informed public.
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u/hedgemagus 25d ago
This website isn’t ready for the answer as to why they let him graduate lol
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