r/HistoricalCapsule • u/harlem-nocturne • 4h ago
Eminem's father reading a magazine about his son in 2001. He last saw Eminem in 1974 when he abandoned the family and left Eminem's mother to raise him in poverty. He died in 2019 in Indiana without meeting his son as an adult.
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u/PieterSielie6 3h ago
"Oh no he's rich and famous now im so sad ššš"
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u/AdWonderful5920 3h ago
He looks like he's doing pretty well on his own. He's got like 100 different cups back there.
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u/monoinyo 3h ago
An embarrassment of riches
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u/Havengul_Undying 2h ago
But does he have a #1Dad cup?
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u/jasmine_tea_ 2h ago
My dad has a best dad cup. I didn't give it to him lol. I'm the only child. To be fair, anyone could've gifted it to him on a father's day.
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u/Chemical_Romance90 3h ago
Which makes him even more shitty.
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u/Rich-Reason1146 3h ago
Not sharing the cups with his son? That's a shitty person
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u/Mid_July_Diamond16 3h ago
John Lennon's dad did the same. So did Naomi Campbell's. All of a sudden love to turn up when money is involved š¤
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u/conansucksdick 2h ago
Eminem was so confused when Naomi Campbell's father reached out to him.Ā
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u/ContactThin3211 1h ago
Tarantinoās dad who abandoned him did the same, then when the reunion didnt go as hoped he teamed up with Al Pacinoās dad (who abandoned baby Al) and together they launched āTarantino and Pacino productionsāĀ
Insult to injury if you ask me, some people are snakes.
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u/ComfortablyNomNom 1h ago
Al Pacino's dad was so embarrassing. He would do ANYTHING. I remember an appearance on the Howard Stern show where Sal Pacino was travelling with Richard Simmons to visit old folks homes and do exercise routines to promote a workout tape.
It was just shameless, using his son's name the entire time. He came off bad.
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u/oranbhoy 2h ago
Lennon's dad didn't do the same, he was working ashore and Lennon's mum had an affair and left her husband, when his dad came back both parents literally asked him to choose between the both of them & I mean literally .. and John chose his mum His mum wasn't there much for him and his aunt basically brought him up His dad came into his life in the 60s and cashed in on his fame by releasing songs etc,Ā But I don't think he abandoned him like this guy
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u/waluigieWAAH 2h ago
John initially chose his dad, but when he saw his mom crying he went with her instead
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u/nicholnewfangle 1h ago
Could have learned a thing or two from Brian Wilson's dad! If you've got a genius for a kid you keep them under your control for as long as humanly possible And later demand production credits and even your own terrible, terrible solo album
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u/Playful-Succotash-99 1h ago
His whole "Mama don't cry daddy come home" song was based on him doing regression therapy with famed psychologist Arthur Janov pretty much summed up his feelings on the matter.
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u/LucifersAdv0cate 3h ago
Let's be honest if his dad stayed and they all lived happily ever after he wouldn't have the same kind of passion for his music. It was likely his anger and his repressed homosexuality that inspired him to create so much passionate rap content.
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u/fiirikkusu_kuro_neko 2h ago
repressed homosexuality?
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u/killerviel 2h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbqh0vXaRLw
Reference to this
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u/FlowSoSlow 1h ago
God I wish he'd do more comedy movies. He's so fuckin funny when he wants to be.
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u/Very_Tricky_Cat 2h ago
Yes. He essentially left a breadcrumb trail of his sexuality in his lyrics. Also Hector and his rectum are real. Not an allegory.
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u/pratzs 2h ago
Homosexuality ?
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u/Captain_Kab 2h ago
It means that he likes men.
I'm shocked more people haven't realised, it's kinda like he's been playing gay peek-a-boo.
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u/ItsErnestT 2h ago
Came here to say that. Without that experience there would probably be no Eminem. Just Marshall Mathers,
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u/Inquisitive_regard 1h ago
leave it to reddit to be capable of processing only the shallowest possible interpretation of human emotions.
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u/Working_Function3970 3h ago
His son wrote letters to him but they always came back 'return to sender'....
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u/mayonaizmyinstrument 1h ago
Even the ones addressed "Dear Mr. 'I'm too good to call or write my son'"?
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u/dange616 16m ago
On the wedding invitation I sent him, my father checked the "attending" box just to cross it out and check the "will not be attending".
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u/GKW_ 3h ago
Honestly respect to Eminem. Many people would still want to meet their dad regardless.
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u/AttonJRand 3h ago
Yeah this is the thing people miss with estranged kids, most kids try again and again to work things out with their parent. Yet so many people act like its selfish kids acting on whims.
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u/bojangler69420 3h ago
I guess Iām one of the exceptions? I have no desire to reconnect with my alcoholic, crack addicted father.
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u/Legitimate-Draw-8180 1h ago
I used to see my dad every weekend. Then when I was about 14 he stopped answering the phone. When I was 22 I got a Facebook message from some girl who's mum was a nurse. My dad had had a stroke, & wanted to see us. Neither my sister or I went.
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u/pakchimin 1h ago
My friend is going through the same thing, it's so clichƩ.
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u/Cognetik 32m ago
Mine tried to paid me back a portion of everything he stole, then got mad he paid me.
10% recovery better than nothing but what a drama filled day that was.
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u/Retify 44m ago
Mine did this when I was 16 having not seen him since I was 10. I figured what do I have to lose. Spent a couple of hours in the hospital with him telling me a bunch of racist shit. He managed to pull through, 20 years on I've not spoken to him or seen him since nor had the desire to. The only time I thought of him was when my wife got pregnant and I realised he was the perfect role model for me to raise a child by showing me exactly what not to do or be.
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u/ScottyJoeC 1h ago
Im with you mate... people said i should give him a chance, you will regret it when hes gone. My Dad died a few months ago and I felt nothing. Fuck that guy and fuck Eneimen dad. Some people just shouldn't have kids.
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u/AugustousScissor 3h ago
in their defense, they don't know their father is alcoholic and crack addicted.
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u/Dibs84 1h ago
My dad left when I was 12y. Have a younger (11) and older (14) brother. Just, picked up his shit and left my mom when she was 33 with 3 kids. House and company full on debt, etc.
30 years later he's been trying to reconnect but honestly we have 0 feelings towards it. For all I know we grew up without him, feels like a total stranger, couldnt give 2 fucks.
Never understood the people who got left and go above and beyond to reconnect like, to what exactly, nothing to reconnect too in my opinion.
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u/PleaseDontMakeAScene 3h ago edited 3h ago
Hey, thats me!
Tried re-establishing a relationship with my deadbeat father who abandoned the family when I was a toddler.
It went okay for a hot minute - I softly leaned into it because I didn't want to fully commit immediately and get emotionally invested only to get my heart broken again. Took things slow.
To no bodies surprise, he eventually tried to guilt trip me into thinking it was ME who wasn't putting in enough effort to repair that relationship. (Despite him never once coming to visit me. It was always me visiting him)
Needless to say, I have stopped trying. Fuck 'em.
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u/Dependent_Rain_4800 1h ago
You can stop trying to engage with people (in general, not just family) who invest no time in self development. It's just a repeating cycle if no one puts in the effort of healing their trauma.
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u/KinsellaStella 1h ago
Hey! My dad dumped me on my 30th birthday when I was in the hospital for organ failure for not putting in enough effort, too. Then a month later he tried to walk it back, lol, no. Itās funny how you can know he was a shitty person and no contact was best and it still feels like your world is ending. Anyway, havenāt talked to him in a decade.
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u/Big-Joe-Studd 2h ago
Yeah, I didn't meet my dad till I was in my early 20s, he bailed while my mom was pregnant. As a kid I had always hoped there was some crazy situation that would excuse his actions, but it turned out he was an even bigger piece of shit than what I thought was possible. I'm 41 now and he still refuses to publicly acknowledge that I'm his kid. Caught him referring to me as his much younger brother and cut him right the fuck out.
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u/Successful_Buffalo_6 3h ago
I wouldnāt respect him any less for wanting to meet his dad. Being abandoned by a parent is rough.
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u/Obvious-Arm-8139 2h ago
My mom gave up her first child when she was 17 because her mom wouldn't let her raise him herself. The doctor who delivered him ended up adopting the baby boy. My mom went on to raise the rest of her kids, and I was the youngest. When I turned 32, I reached out to my older brother, but he didn't really seem interested in getting to know me. I understood that, though he was interested in learning more about his biological father.
Sadly, his biological father was a meth addicted biker, and as far as we knew, he was dead.
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u/Lotnik223 2h ago
I mean getting abandoned at all sucks but getting abandoned by your biological mother and then knowing that she went on to raise a bunch of other kids sucks on a whole different level,
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u/Zealousideal-Lab9843 1h ago
It's a complex thing. The mom may have been underage and without resources during that first delivery. And then a decade later had her life together enough to start a family. It still sucks for that one kid.
Though I wasn't abandoned per se, I definitely felt the lack of resources, inexperience, and immaturity of my parents growing up.
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u/Global-Song-4794 1h ago
There's a great book that I read recently that made me see this differently. It's called the girls who were sent away.
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u/AdventurousLoss3794 1h ago
Itās obviously you. If you had made millions, he would have been in your life. Youāre a saboteur! /s
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u/LuminaTitan 1h ago edited 46m ago
I'm reminded of Gene Hackman talking about his father leaving them as a child and still being so emotionally affected by it 65 years later.
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u/KeyNefariousness6848 3h ago
When he fought for his little girl after his woman ran off, and defended his daughterās honor he earned my respect
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u/scariestJ 3h ago
He got clean so he could get full-time custody for her. He also got his younger brother out of foster care too - I think he works for him as a produce.
And his AA sponsor - none other than Elton John,
As for Elton John, the person he credits the most for helping him kick the booze and Coke was Ryan White - the young boy who died of AIDS from contaminated blood. Elton John was one of the pall bearers at the funeral.
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u/I_saw_you_yesterday 3h ago
People also forget he took care and still does take care of his Ex wifeās sisters kids too.
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u/Aware-Possibility175 3h ago
Really? Do we know their names? And also the whole story behind it all? I only ask because In a couple of songs about his family he gives a couple names and I was always curious about who they were specifically.
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u/19v97 3h ago
he adopted Alaina which is Kim's sister's kid and Stevie which is Kim's kid with a different guy
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u/Aware-Possibility175 3h ago
Thatās who Alaina is!! Finally part of the mystery is solved. He has a lyric on relapse (won best rap album of 2010 and personally I loved it and thought it was some of his most creative stuff which isnāt important or relevant to this conversation whatsoever) āIām going bedy by Whitney baby, good night Alainaā I been waiting over a decade to learn this info and the quest is nearly complete. Soon Iāll be able to die like that knights Templar guy in the end of Indiana jones and the last crusade, whist fully waving at Harrison ford while the foundation of my hidden cave/house caves in around me:
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u/PGMOL-Cleaner 2h ago
Isnāt that who he refers to as āLainieā (I dunno how to spell it) in songs like Mockingbird etc, too?
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u/Aware-Possibility175 2h ago
Good catch! I had forgotten that one thatās encore iirc thatās the album Iāve probably listened too the least I remember because a teacher actually took it away from me while I was listening to it during a free period. I wasnāt doing anything but just the fact that I had that CD with the explicit sticker, like in the music video without me when the kid gets the Eminem show album
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u/KeyNefariousness6848 1h ago
I remember a thing on line where they had a computer listen to his songs and other performers work and they said he had a significantly larger vocabulary than other singers.
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u/ThegnOfPenda 3h ago
I've never met any fatherless person who said this, me included. If I ever encounter this guy, I'll kill the motherfucker myself (haha, nice pun)
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u/LookAtMaDog 55m ago
I know one guy throwing his whole fucking life away because he won't accept his father is a POS and misleading him for his own gain.
It seems to be particularly hard for boys to let their father go. No matter how many times he hurts them.
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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3h ago
I'll be damned, the family resemblance is strong there. It's got to suck to look so much like someone you hate so much.
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u/PickledDildosSourSex 1h ago
I look just like my (dead) dad who abandoned us when I was a little kid. It is indeed weird.
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u/battlecat136 1h ago
I also look like my pos father who's been out of my life for 20 years (my choice).
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u/RevolutionaryFly2500 45m ago
I had a similar situation growing up. Whenever my single mother would get angry at me, she would say āyouāre just like your fatherā. Wasnāt very nice
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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 29m ago
I hope she regrets any of it. That is pretty mean yeah to compare your kid to someone whom you've assured them that you really don't like. And you're probably a little like "Mom, you're the one that had that guy's kid, not me."
It's really not the kid's choice in any scenario, that they even exist in the first place, so parents should ideally consider that instead of being so quick to project anything onto a kid. Hope you have some nice days ahead.
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u/ajinthebay 34m ago
Ive got my alcoholic abusive dadās cheekbones and eyes. Thanks, I hate it.
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u/tricky_monster 20m ago
I look almost exactly like the person I hate the most in the world...
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u/chewbaccalaureate 12m ago
My father taught me first hand how to be set free
Give up and run away
I wish I could drain out his half of blood in me
But I'd still have his face.I curse reflections every day
"Family Tradition" by Senses Fail
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u/ReadnW 3h ago
Ironically, if he didnāt leave eminem with his mother back in the day, Eminem didnāt develop into this rapper he is nowadays.
The breeding ground of good rappers is a harsh environment during childhood and puberty
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u/Upset-Elderberry3723 3h ago
What made Eminem a good lyricist is that he used to read a dictionary every day and challenge himself to rhyme obscure terms in complicated rhyme patterns.
It leads to ridiculous lines such as:
'Jumped into a Chickenhawk cartoon with a cape on / And beat up Foghorn Leghorn with an acorn'.
Which is actually a double-entendre that insinuates at the obscure term, 'capon' (cape on), which is a term for a castrated chicken.
Eminem suggests that Foghorn Leghorn was only acting so macho because he was trying to compensate for not having testicles, and then Eminem enters his world and runs after him with a giant acorn (acorns being symbolic of testicles).
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u/Hot_Upstairs_1117 3h ago
IDC if I get downvoted to oblivion here but I'm gonna quote 50 directly - "Hip hop is Black music, without question, and, unfortunately for some people, it's tough to accept that you have a White artist that does it better than Black artists."
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u/Escritortoise 2h ago
Tupac, Nas, Biggie then me.
Nas is possibly my all time favorite just because I love āI canā so much, but itās undeniable that Eminem is one of the greatest lyricists ever, and one of the greatest at free style battling.
Even if you start out with the four pillars and DJ Herc as a start point, I donāt think you can really tell the story of hip hop without Em.
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u/Hot_Upstairs_1117 2h ago
Sorry I had to lmaoo..agreed dude. All goats of hip hop in my book. I'm throwing Gangstarr, Rakim, Andre 3k, and Wu-Tang into that list too. That's the beauty of hip hop to me, personally; there's no #1 goat in my book. Just absolute fuckin pillars to the game, where the game just wouldn't be the same without them.
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u/Complete-Fix-3954 2h ago
I like how you used the term pillars. It doesnāt alienate anyone, it doesnāt bunch them all together. Welp, guess Iām listening to pillars today while Iām working.
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u/IamScottGable 1h ago
It also fits it rap/hip hop bc there's so many styles and subgenres. The Beatles aren't the greatest heavy metal band of all time, there's room for many.
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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 1h ago
50 is a professional hater troll so if he gives a compliment you know it's real lol.
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u/Hot_Upstairs_1117 1h ago
50 is THE top dog in petty trolling lmaoo.
Hands down favorite and I don't see it being beat ever, is him producing the Diddy documentary.
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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 1h ago
That one got me too i laughed so hard when I saw his name. Grew up with eminem and 50.
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u/AgeInternational3497 3h ago
Itās crazy how every line has a story. Itās like his music has a ton of replay ability because you learn something new everytime you listen
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u/rhineauto 1h ago
āI read a dictionary when I wasnāt hairy now my dick is hairy no more dictionaryā
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u/Cuppa-Tea-Biscuit 3h ago
Thereās a dude who raps generally about his cats, and mainly to raise funds for animal shelters, because, as he says, he didnāt have a tough enough childhood to be a more general rapper. What was he going to rap about? Growing up in the suburbs and only getting into his second choice college?
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u/Old-Beautiful1786 2h ago
Yea, the Batman fallacy. If Bruce's parents didn't die, there'd be no Bats.
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u/Tauren-Jerky 2h ago
OoOoO the butterfly effect. Then no one from 5th grade would have bleached their hair
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u/Trippingthru99 1h ago
Plenty of amazing rappers grew up in a good household.
I understand your point. But good art can come from anywhere. Pain and trauma can be a great source of inspiration, but you donāt need it be a good rapper.Ā
If anything, I wish more rappers would be honest. So many pretend gangsters and drug dealers, who go on to influence kids irl.Ā
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u/Dragovius 2h ago
My dad did the same thing. Abandoned me and my brother when I was seven forcing my mother to work 5 jobs just to put food on the table while he ran off with a woman younger than his daughter. Decades later he tried to make contact because he'd 'found God'.
It fell on deaf ears.
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u/rheumination 54m ago
Last night I was thinking about how you canāt build endurance without having to endure things. My dad stayed around but he gambled and drank and was generally unreliable. It made me into something they call parentized these days but itās kind of a positive thing because I learned how to be responsible from an early age. I learned boundaries. I learned that you can choose how you feel.
Point being, it sucks that your father abandoned you and that you had to deal with those emotions later when he tried to get back into your life. Iām hoping that that adversity somehow made you stronger.Ā
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u/Stomach_Junior 3h ago
That is a sperm donor, if I remember correctly he left when Eminem was 6 months old, a father is raising his baby
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u/-KFBR392 2h ago
Any fool with a dick can make a baby, but only a real man can raise his children.
- Furious Styles
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u/sloppybuttmustard 3h ago
āHe died in 2019 in Indiana without meeting his son as an adult.ā
I love this for him.
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u/anactofgod 2h ago
Why would anyone marshall the effort when it didnāt mathers?
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u/jemappellehonhon 1h ago
true, when you're looking for sympathy, the pickings are slim if your behavior has been shady
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u/MrsMiaWallace07 3h ago
Glad Eminem never gave his dad the time of day or a chance to come crawling back.
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u/Wafflelisk 3h ago
He's just Marshall Mathers.
He's just a regular guy, I don't know why all the fuss about him
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u/cromroyale 3h ago
ābtw if you see my dad, tell him that i slit his throat in this dream i hadā
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u/SilentSniper1252 3h ago
Meanwhile Mac Demarco was the other way round. Mac actively seeking a relationship with his dad, who didn't even seem to care that his son was a world famous musician.
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u/Ok_Airline_2886 1h ago
Sort of gotta respect the dad in that situation. Decided he didnāt want to be a father and didnāt change his mind just to chase the bag.
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u/yossarian19 1h ago
Nope. Abandon your kid, lose respect. Having integrity in abandoning a child doesn't make anyone less of a piece of shit
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u/Busy-Party-3366 3h ago
"And i wonder if he even ever kissed me goodbye. Second thought, no i dont. Just fuckin wish he would die."
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u/DarkSmarts 3h ago
God I hate when deadbeats have the gall to have this reaction toward ANYTHING their abandoned kids do. You didn't care then, don't pretend to care now just because you think you might get money for it. I know he's dead so consider "now" to be when this photo was taken.
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u/BarrelllRider 1h ago
āHOW DARE he be in a candid photo holding a magazine with a confused look outside his front door with no additional context whatsoever!!!ā
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u/Exciting-Argument-67 1h ago
And it's not even his front door, but a motel lobby's coffee station. A reporter probably tracked the dad down, gave him the magazine, and snapped a photo.
It's like when a news outlet reports that some celebrity "spoke out" or "broke their silence" on a certain topic, but really they were just asked a leading question in an interview and had to come up with some answer on the fly, even though they hadn't really considered the topic before.
It's just more fun to be outraged by imagining that this man sought to be photographed like this, standing in front of his castle with the Sweet n' Low station outside of his front door ... la di da!
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u/FuddFucker5000 3h ago
What reactions is exactly being portrayed in this photo?
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u/SadMap7915 3h ago
Regrets, I've had a few...
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u/jasper81222 3h ago
Pretty sure the only man closest to being called dad by Eminem was his Uncle Ronnie. Someone who abandoned him as a child and only wanted to reconnect when his son became rich and famous isn't worth being acknowledged.
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u/TheWizardry90 2h ago
āI was a baby, maybe I was just a couple of months
My faggot father must have had his panties up in a bunch, ācause he split
I wonder if he even kissed me goodbye
No I donāt
On second thought I fucking wished that he would dieā
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u/Shad_Owski 2h ago
Just like my dad. Honestly fuck these type of people.
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u/nicolauz 1h ago
Yup. I used to want to meet him in my teens, wanted to beat his ass in my 20's and now I'm just waiting for him to die so I can piss on his grave. Fuck you Derrick.
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u/Mitridate101 3h ago
I'm thankfull he lived long enough to see his son make it big and become stupid rich. Imagine the regret at not getting any of that $$$
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u/Old-Leader-2105 3h ago
I don't think the regret should be about missing out on the money. It should be about developing a genuine connection with your own son who turned out to be one of the most interesting musicians of the 2000's. How could you reconcile with yourself that perhaps the biggest artist of the time was your own son who you walked out on?
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u/Blaze_Vortex 2h ago
See, if he cared about that sort of thing he wouldn't have left in the first place.
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u/bigcontracts 2h ago
So, yeah, dad let's walk
Let's have us a father and son talk
But I bet we probably wouldn't get one block
Without me knocking your block off, this is all your fault
Maybe that's why I'm always so bananas
I appeal to all those walks of like, whoever had strife
Maybe that's what dad and son talks are like
- Eminem āRhyme or Reasonā
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u/Gandolfthewhite182 3h ago
I would say itās a shame he sucks because he could have had a part in all that but the truth is Em might not be Em if his father doesnāt disappear on him. So maybe he did Eminem the best flattering he could have by not being a father. Now Marshall is a world renowned artist and clearly one of the best fathers around.
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u/Status-Notice5616 2h ago
"And by the way, when you see my dad, Tell him that I slit his throat in this dream I had"
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u/Glass-Development362 1h ago
without him there would be no eminem and without him there would be eminem
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u/SenatorPencilFace 3h ago
You think he still would have been a success if his father had been there for him?
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u/PlzAdptYourPetz 3h ago
It's wild to think about the duality of the fact that if this dude had gotten his panties out of a bunch and been a real father, Eminem probably wouldn't have had the extremely traumatic and destitute childhood it took to become a mean rap star. He would have instead grown up to be middle class and decently adjusted, likely doing blue collar work and just being a family man. He is famous and rich because his daddy was a bum that knocked his entire world out of order. Still, I am happy this loser presumably never got a penny from his son's painful success. 90% of children left in destitute don't have happy endings and my heart is hardened for those who've abandoned children.
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u/Cassandramoonlight 3h ago
That's honestly sad. Imagine reading about your son's success in a magazine after missing his whole life. You can't get those years back
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u/koolaidismything 2h ago
My biological father hated me. My adopted one loved me so much it messed up people for me. I just assumed everyone loved me like that cause he was so amazing.
I'm 100% sure I'd be dead or a mean fuck if I didn't have him around. No matter what I did, it was always the best he'd sing when I was upset.. always clever and made you laugh.
Biological dad was miserable and mean, all he left me with is mental issues and bad genetics.
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u/Playful-Succotash-99 1h ago
I supose to his credit and its not mutch at least he didn't try to worm his way back in after fame
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u/brokenmessiah 1h ago
This HAS to do something to you mentally. I can't even imagine abandoning my kids(I dont have kids) but I don't even know what emotions I'd have seeing the kid I did abandon experiencing their dreams and that I wasn't part of it.
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u/xChoke1x 33m ago
Him, and Tony....Lebrons dad get the crown for biggest dropped bag of all time.
All you had to do.....was show the fuck up like a man.
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u/alinearis 3h ago
Mullet Mathers