r/Conservative • u/vampirepomeranian Conservative • 1d ago
Flaired Users Only Why is Officer Derek Chauvin still in jail?
Such a disgraceful miscarriage of justice in the left's favorite state .. Minnesota.
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u/cofcof420 Redpilled 23h ago
My understanding is that he has a life sentence both at the state and federal level. Thus even a Trump pardon would only be symbolic as no way he’d ever get a state pardon.
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u/BortWard Conservative 20h ago
He didn’t get life in Minnesota. His profile on the MN DOC offender locator lists his anticipated release as December of 2035, and his sentence expires in June of 2043. In Minnesota, at most 2/3 of any sentence is served in prison, with the rest on “supervised release.” It often is less than 2/3 because “credit” is given for jail time before and during trial.
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u/moashforbridgefour Conservative 23h ago
Dual sovereignty is BS and should be a violation of 5th amendment rights. Make the federal and state prosecutors work together in a single trial or something, but you should not be able to be tried twice for the same crime.
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u/Pappy_Dru_It Constitutionalist 22h ago
The federal charges weren't the homicide. It was the nonsensical "hate crime" BS. It was all done to make sure he wasn't going to walk, no matter what the evidence said. And in Minneapolis, there's no way he wasn't going to be found guilty no matter what. It is a shitbed of liberal commies.
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u/max_intense Conservative 21h ago
Yep.
It’s also because he’s white.
There are self hating white liberals that pander to minorities for their votes as well.
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u/ObadiahtheSlim Lockean 1d ago
Nobody wants to spend the political capital doing something about it. Certainly not any state officials.
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u/Cyclonian Small Gov't Conservative 14h ago
Yeah, might be one of those on the way out presidential pardons I'd guess.
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u/networkdood Conservative 23h ago
The entire incident was the fault of Floyd
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 23h ago
Yes, a criminal committing a crime is at fault for the crimes they commit.
But Chauvin's response is his own, based on his training.
Are you saying Chauvin shouldn't be expected to exercise better judgement than a drug affected counterfeit bill passer?
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u/tacobellbandit Conservative 23h ago
I think the problem I have with it is who the hell trained this dude to put his knee on a suspects neck? There’s plenty of ways to restrain people. When I was in the army we just had big ass heavy duty zip tie “flex cuffs”. Put your guy on the ground, zip tie feet and hands, in and out in less than 5min even with LTL tactics.
I think there is a fundamental problem with how police officers are trained that lead to Floyd’s death without bringing anything about him or what happened into the equation. There was really no reason to be blocking his airway like that from the get-go.
Plus couple that with other crazy and high profile shit at the time like Breonna Taylor. The police had the WRONG FUCKING HOUSE and went in regardless in middle of the fuckin night and started shooting before identifying they even had the suspect in the house to begin with.
There is a problem with the standard that is being set, and I find right wing conservatives typically give the police more leeway because well they’re not really the people that are committing crimes, but I would never justify what was done to those people. We as citizens are responsible for upholding our police officers to the highest standards. No one should lose their life in police custody, or be killed because the police were not doing their due diligence before conducting an arrest, especially one so dangerous like a no-knock raid
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u/Pappy_Dru_It Constitutionalist 22h ago
He was trained to do that by his own department. That's "who the hell trained" him.
And Breonna Taylor's apartment wasn't "the WRONG FUCKING HOUSE." She wasn't the intended perp. That would have been her boyfriend, who was sleeping next to her and opened fire on the cops when they entered the home. In the ensuing gun fire, Taylor was shot and killed.
Just do some basic research before spouting off on this stuff. Lots of us are against over aggressive policing, but you gotta at least know the facts of cases you cite. Otherwise, you appear as a know-nothing apologist for criminals.
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u/tacobellbandit Conservative 22h ago
The problem is why was there training to do that at all. Like as if somehow “he was trained to do that” makes it okay
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u/highlightway Conservative 21h ago
Yeah? How was Chauvin supposed to know that he had a lethal dosage of drugs in his system?
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 21h ago
Observation based on training and interaction. Granted, it would be impossible for Chauvin to know the dosage, but it is visible in the surveillance video from the store he is affected by something. I’d expect an officer of almost 20 years experience to be able to identify a drug affected person very quickly.
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u/networkdood Conservative 22h ago
Too many leftwing nuts posing as Conservatives on Reddit
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u/networkdood Conservative 22h ago
His response was the exact response he was taught to do. Floyd was having a druggie episode. Chauvin didn't cause it.
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u/ObadiahtheSlim Lockean 18h ago
And that training was created because you can't beat perps until they cooperate (police brutality) and you can't just man handle them into the vehicle (see Baltimore perp he wasn't secured properly because of his resistance and died). So when you've got a perp in a weight class or 2 above you, you kneel on them until they tucker out and you can safely secure them in the vehicle. On top of that, you had an angry crowd show up because they were arresting a black man.
But the lefties don't want to hear that and will just gaslight you and call you names and leave you harassing DMs.
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u/space_face_mace Conservative Christian 1d ago
He was following protocol. That hold was designated as a legitimate option for officers in their training…. That fact was, however, not allowed to be presented at the “trial”.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 23h ago
Option, meaning there were others available to him?
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u/space_face_mace Conservative Christian 23h ago
That’s pretty much irrelevant. He followed his training.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 23h ago
No, it's not irrelevant. It wasn't the only move his was trained to do; it was one of many.
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u/max_intense Conservative 22h ago
It was one of many but a move that he and his team used frequently.
Come on dude
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u/space_face_mace Conservative Christian 23h ago
So he was trained to do it… you’re so close to getting it…
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u/Short-Hotel7648 NJ Conservative 21h ago
buddy you're tripping over yourself to save your weak argument
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u/DannyTannersFlow Conservative 23h ago
Democrats hate inconvenient truths.
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u/space_face_mace Conservative Christian 23h ago
I open chat requests for threads like this just to enjoy their screeching into the void.
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u/DannyTannersFlow Conservative 22h ago
How am I getting downvoted for this? Strange.
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u/The_Didlyest Pro-Life 19h ago
The police trainer testified that she trained officers in neck restraints were.
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u/Dpgillam08 Conservative 20h ago
In the US (since you aren't from there, apparently)
1) Habeus Corpus literally means "produce the body"; the principle is that you have to prove a crime was committed. He was *convicted* on 3 counts of killing someone. So produce the 3 corpses he supposedly killed. Otherwise its clearly a miscarriage of law and justice.
2) The difference between manslaughter and murder is intent. The judge never made the prosecutor prove intent, another carriage of law and justice.
3) The judge ruled with the prosecution that the fact Floyd was already dying of a drug overdose was not a relevant fact and couldn't be presented in trial; denying entirely plausible alternate cause of death to railroad through a conviction. Yet another gross miscarriage of law and justice.
4) Gross misrepresentation of facts.
The cop knelt on Floyd's back. Floyd was still able to be heard over 30ft away, based on the cameras recording the incident. If you can hear someone from 30+ft away, they are shouting. If you can shout, you can breath. Furthermore, according to the same videos, he was actively struggling and resisting for over 9 minutes. Which shows how ineffective that improperly claimed "choke hold" was. A proper choke should have had him unconscious in under 30 seconds, and unable to speak for any of those seconds.
5) Cop was following official department training. If it was a failure, it was a failure of the department, not the cop,meaning that the leadership should have been held accountable, not the officer. The fact that policy had been in place over a decade with minimal harm and no deaths prior, and only this time because of a massive drug overdose suggests it wasn't the hold or policy that killed Floyd.
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u/IndustryMaximum83 Reagan Conservative 23h ago
If you have an “extremely negative history” with police, it’s highly likely that you, rather than the police, are the problem. Maybe it’s time for some introspection?
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 23h ago
Haha, assumptions.
My alcoholic father's brother was a senior sergeant at the local police station. When my father used to get drunk, break into my mother's home, bash her and try to abduct me as a baby, he was never punished as even though it was reported, they conveniently could never find him to arrest.
We eventually had to flee interstate before he killed her or myself.
So yeah, negative experience.
Maybe ask questions before assuming.
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u/IndustryMaximum83 Reagan Conservative 23h ago
That’s your “extremely negative history” with police? That sounds like it’s 100% a personal family issue and you’re projecting blame onto police as a coping mechanism.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 23h ago edited 23h ago
Is reading not your strong suit?
An officer of law protecting the criminal acts of his brother rather than offering my mother and I the protection of the law we were entitled to is my "extremely negative history" with police.
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u/IndustryMaximum83 Reagan Conservative 22h ago
I’m not trying to internet slap fight here, but you brought it up to justify your multiple posts across the thread. Your “negative history” is 100% an assumption, and if you were a baby at the time you’d have no knowledge of the details. Was there a protective order? Did she actually press charges at any point? Did he have a warrant?
As far as projecting blame, why not also blame your mother’s and/or father’s parents for not stepping in, siblings for the same thing, judges and politicians responsible for local ordinances on DV or alcohol, etc. There’s plenty of folks that could share blame, but the reality is that your father is primarily responsible for his actions.
Even if I assume that everything you say is 100% true and your dad was able to beat your mother because he was enabled/supported by police, disliking and/or distrusting all law enforcement, especially that in another country, because of what your father did to your mother while you were an infant is simply not a rational stance. It’s also completely unrelated to justifying extreme anger over an officer kneeling on the back of a suspect who ultimately died of an OD.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 22h ago
You started this back and forth by assuming. I think you even inferred I must have poor character to have a negative history with police.
You are also assuming that my view of police is still negative.
I have knowledge of the details because I have seen the legal paperwork, including the protective order.
I have also spoken to family and friends about the circumstances.
You go off an a tangent about why don't I also blame such and such.
I blame my father's brother in his role as a senior officer regarding what happened. He took the oath to protect the public regardless of who or what the circumstances, which he didn't afford my mother or I.
If he felt unable to act without bias due to the familial connection, he should have moved to bring in someone neutral. He didn't.
The one thing I agree with, is my father is 100% responsible for his actions.
My father's brother was a senior officer in a jurisdiction where his brother broke the law. His job was to ensure the law was applied unbiasedly. It wasn't.
The last part your straight up misrepresenting what I've commented in regards to Floyd's case.
I have no "extreme anger". I see a death that didn't have to happen because apparently an officer needs to be told not to kneel on an agitated drug addict arrestee's back.
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u/IndustryMaximum83 Reagan Conservative 22h ago
Your “history” isn’t even your history my man. It’s based on an incident or series of incidents from when you were an infant/child and your assumptions. That’s not an “extremely negative history” with police. Have you, yourself, had negative interactions with police?
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 22h ago
Funny, I was present, was the target of the abduction attempt and have the memories from it, yet it's not my history.
Yes, I have had 2 negative personal interactions with police.
One related to the events discussed years later.
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u/IndustryMaximum83 Reagan Conservative 22h ago
That’s still not a history with police, it’s a history of “I think the police should have done something different/better and they didn’t so I assume it was malicious.”
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u/BigHotdog2009 Conservative 23h ago
He overdosed on fentanyl. The knee on the neck had nothing to do with it.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 23h ago
The fact he was out committing crimes while under the influence of fentanyl right up until he had a knee pressed against his upper body causing him to stop breathing would indicate that, yes, pressing a knee into someone on the ground's upper back had something to do with it.
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u/Pappy_Dru_It Constitutionalist 22h ago
He told the cops that he couldn't breath while he was sitting the police car, before he jumped out and collapsed to the ground. Then he began fighting the cops who were trying to restrain him and put him in cuffs (because he kept trying to get out of the car). Get your facts straight, m8.
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u/Internal_Try7967 Conservative 22h ago
Drug overdoses aren't instantaneous. You don't metabolize things instantaneously. Watch the video. Floyd is hysterical and saying he can't breathe while he's still in the backseat of the cop car.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 22h ago
As an habitual user, he had been using for a prolonged period but you are correct, you don't metabolize things instantly. Which makes what you say worse; an arrestee is in an agitated state and says they can't breathe while in the backseat of a police car; so the response is to drag him from the car and place your knee across his upper body?
There were other ways to subdue him that didn't involve what Chauvin did.
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u/Internal_Try7967 Conservative 21h ago
Watch the video. He is hysterical when he's still in his own car and resists being put in the cop car and hysterical in the back seat of the cop car and actively wrestling with the police and asks to be put on the ground.
Priority 1 when dealing with a belligerent person who is under arrest is immobilizing them so they can't flee or can't harm the police.
Priority 2 is investigating whatever the fuck they're ranting about, especially when they've been ranting hysterically the entire time and resisting everything you say and do.
Watch the video, because you obviously haven't and obviously don't know very much about this. You've already downgraded your "knee across his neck" claims to "knee across his upper body," so if you actually watch the video, you'll probably change your mind about a bunch of other stuff too.
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u/Ok_Implement_555 Right to Life 23h ago
He wasn't kneeling on his neck bro he was kneeling across his upper back. Get your shit straight before coming in here and pretending to be a conservative.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 23h ago
Son, I’ve probably been a conservative longer than you have been alive. Oh, ok. Not kneeling on the neck containing the windpipe, but the upper back, across the top of both lungs AND the windpipe. My mistake.
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u/EvanOnTheFly Conservative 22h ago
Pretty obvious you have taken the propaganda around the even hook line and sinker.
Floyd died of overdose.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 22h ago
Oh I'm sorry, could you show me in any trading manual, for anything in history, where kneeling on someone's upper back for a period of time is a recommended treatment?
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u/BigHotdog2009 Conservative 23h ago
This sub is filled with closet liberals with a flair so they can comment.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 22h ago
My profile isn't hidden like half the people who have replied to me, chief.
Go nuts.
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u/No_Lifeguard259 Conservative 19h ago
You are a moron then.
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u/max_intense Conservative 23h ago
Wrong.
What chauvin did in is LEGAL in the state of Minnesota.
Wake up.
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u/Positive_Earth69 Don't Tread on Me 20h ago
If you can say “I can’t breathe” over and over again like some yak bak children’s toy then I hate to say this but: you most certainly can breathe.
Imma blame his death on the fenny, which makes the most sense.
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 20h ago
If you are an officer arresting someone who is claiming they can't breathe, even if you believe they are lying, you should maneuver them into a position that maintains officer safety while not leaving them in a position that any restriction is occurring.
It's almost like the best outcome would have been the affected arrest without the death of the arrestee and the incarceration of the officer involved.
Why not sit him against the squad's tire with his legs in front of him? A ring of 3 officers around him, he's not going anywhere and no officer is in danger.
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u/Positive_Earth69 Don't Tread on Me 13h ago
I guess you remain uniformed. Have you watched the video? Have you seen his priors list? He made that choice himself. Easily could’ve sat still in the back of the car the first time he was put there. There are multiple choices he personally made that ended his life. The uncomfortable position he found himself in was his own choice. No amount of light pressure on the upper back would’ve ever suffocated someone.
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u/oclotty Conservative 21h ago
You’re opinion is embarrassingly wrong, because he was not on Floyd’s neck. You didn’t watch the trial and are spewing straight lies.
Embarrassing
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u/BeefSupremeTA Australian Conservative 21h ago
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u/Dry_Zucchini2012 Conservative 19h ago
St. George of Fentanyl died of a drug overdose and Derek Chauvin was absolutely convicted based on the politics surrounding the case, not for any crime committed. It is a miscarriage of justice and you are a clown.
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u/darkthought 23h ago
Saint Floyd was alive when they put him in the ambulance. The Jury were cowards who were afraid of riots.
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u/Radiant-Josh European Conservative 1d ago
I'm pretty much baffled by this as well. I'm also an outsider as well but this is my point of view. This overdosed career criminal was resisting arrest in a violent way, it took a lot of officers to take him down, things go wrong but it's the sole responsibility of Floyd in my mind. Police officers have to deal with aggressive scrum like this each and every day, it goes wrong once and who ends up in jail?...
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u/Intrepid_Mission_400 Goldwater Conservative 1d ago
Another sad factor in the whole episode was Chauvin immediately called in for an ambulance when Floyd started complaining. The ambulance was about three minutes away but when they drove by they worried for their safety because of the crowd, so they went and parked somewhere for 17 minutes.
Floyd was on the ground for 9 minutes. If not for the crowd freaking out over a lawful arrest Floyd would have OD'd in the back of the ambulance.
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u/wretcheddawn Conservative 23h ago
This is this is the same way I feel about the high profile ice involved deaths. You have a situation where there's a mob of people extremely close to the situation, screaming and even physically inserting themselves in the middle of the situation.
The officers then have trouble communicating, have the split focus and the stakes for every decision become exponentially higher. Detainees aren't getting care if they need it.
People are free to document these situations, if they're concerned. Just stay back and keep your mouth shut. It's not that hard.
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u/antihero_84 Christian Conservative 22h ago
Start charging protesters with accessory to manslaughter if they're the ambulance isn't able to safely respond.
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u/max_intense Conservative 21h ago
Floyd killed himself. He shoved a bunch of drugs into his system because he didn’t want to get caught up with the cops.
Anyone denying this is misinformed and doesn’t want to hear the truth.
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u/BigHotdog2009 Conservative 23h ago
Career criminal overdosed and got treated like a hero. Still makes no sense.
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u/umwtfjusthappened Constitutional Conservative 17h ago
Because if he goes to a state prison he will be killed. The president can only pardon on the federal level, not the state. You think Walz is gonna pardon him?
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