Stephen Miller announces the US has taken the action of formally recognizing left wing violence as a form of political terrorism, claiming liberalism "is a direct threat to our national security and the survival of our Republican form of government"

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[u/Jermas]

I can’t speak for everyone in the military, but I can assuredly say, “no, I won’t.” Military officers don’t pledge our allegiance to the office of the president. We raise our right hand to support the constitution of these United States. If given illegal orders from our civilian leadership, it is our duty to disregard those orders.

Does that potentially come at cost? Absolutely. It takes a lot of guts to disobey orders, and can take a lot of time in the aftermath to establish that those very orders were illegal. It’s no situation that anyone wants to be in, but it’s the current reality.

Edit: Holy cow, I’ve never gotten awards before; thank you!

[u/catsandcoconuts → u/Jermas]

glad there’s still people like you out there.

[u/__Dionysus___ → u/Jermas]

In the words of Admiral Jacky Fisher, "in war the first principle is to disobey orders, any fool can obey an order"

[u/Swervies → u/Jermas]

I appreciate your service and your words. But I am having a hard time with the idea that illegal orders will actually be refused. The military has been illegally murdering people for many months now by blowing up civilian boats in both the Atlantic and Pacific. Those strikes are most definitely illegal, extrajudicial killings that are indefensible in any way. Do you agree?

[u/Inithra → u/Jermas]

No, the current reality is that the US has illegally invaded Venuezala and replaced their government with Marco Rubio. The US has committed war crimes by firing on civilian fishing boats. The US committed murder when they killed the survivors of attacks on fishing boats. The US has started an illegal war in Iran, and Trump is using it to personally profit.

How many of the above illegal acts have you been personally ordered to take part in and refused? How many people do you serve with that have done this?

From an outside perspective, the US is murdering innocent people in the THOUSANDS every single day, and you are complicit in that by continuing to serve in their military.

[u/Datfiyah → u/Inithra]

We haven’t heard of a single person resisting those very illegal orders.

So while the person above’s words sound really nice and inspiring, they are very likely filled with hot air, much like Trump’s own.

Cowardice is a terrible disease in this country.

[u/tianas_knife → u/Datfiyah]

No one is going to hear about military members resisting orders for decades if at all. To the fascists it's a bad look for the to see military members resisting.

[u/princessPeachyK33n → u/Datfiyah]

Do you think people don’t resist illegal orders?? I stg people should really talk to more veterans….

[u/frogspjs → u/Inithra]

Dang. You think every single person in the military would obey an illegal order?

[u/Inithra → u/frogspjs]

There's plenty of them being given, a shit load of evidence for them being carried out. Not a lot of anything for them being refused. I've seen the officer on the steps and this guy.

[u/Caek294758 → u/Jermas]

Glad there's people like you but all the leaders have bent over and taken it.

[u/unrivaledhumility → u/Jermas]

Honestly, sort of surprised he hasn't done the Hitler thing yet and make them pledge allegiance to him.

[u/AmericusBarbaricuss → u/Jermas]

That’s beautiful—and it echoes what I’ve heard from a uniformed loved one. Turns out, when our leadership doesn’t give a fancy fuck about your strategic mission or your lives, you can see that very clearly. Who’da thunk it? Three cheers for you & your like-minded siblings in arms.❤️❤️❤️

[u/KassieMac → u/Jermas]

I was married to a former Marine and I vividly recall his description of the military structure. What I heard was a carefully constructed catch-22 that enabled the military to blame soldiers whether their orders are legal or not, whether the soldier followed them or not … all credit goes up to leadership and all blame goes down to the soldiers. The most astonishing part was that this college-educated engineer couldn’t conceive of what he described in such detail. I had briefly considered a military scholarship to get through college as an alternative to living with abusive parents, but I couldn’t get straight answers out of anyone. Hearing my ex describe such an exploitative structure with such reverence really validated my choice.

[u/reddaddiction → u/Jermas]

As far as percentages go, do you think that most people in the military have the same outlook as you?

[u/5_kingdoms → u/Jermas]

I really appreciate the good men and women who are upholding these values and yet so few have called him out. And national guard just killed a man in the street https://taskandpurpose.com/news/national-guard-memphis-fatal-shooting/ I used to think the military was smarter and more loyal but now they have taken the moral backbone away and are giving gender affirming care to soldiers who’s dks don’t get hard enough for Pete Hegseth

[u/Woodpecker-Lobotomy → u/Jermas]

Military officers don’t pledge our allegiance to the office of the president

Someone tell that to the officers that keep carrying out bombings of Iran or blowing up fishing boats in the Caribbean

[u/PurpleSalt11 → u/Jermas]

That's bullshit and you know it. Unless you're at the top, you're not taking orders from any civilian leadership. You're taking orders from your direct superior, who takes it from theirs, who takes it from theirs, who will take it from civilian leadership. You'll just say you were following orders when you stand trial.

[u/deaddreamsneverdie → u/Jermas]

Redditors are making up doomsday scenarios in their own head because it’s easier than getting out, volunteering, and doing the hard work.

[u/schwanzweissfoto → u/deaddreamsneverdie]

“I would die for you!” – “Okay, but would you do the dishes for me?”

[u/Fit-Technician-1148 → u/deaddreamsneverdie]

I did all of that for 10 years and Trump got elected twice. If what you were talking about actually worked we'd have a different world right now. Truth is no amount of hard work and volunteering can counter act the massive amount of propaganda that people willingly ingest from their phones all day every day.

[u/deaddreamsneverdie → u/Fit-Technician-1148]

We have fought these battles before Trump and will fight them again after. Progress isn’t linear, read a fucking book.

If you want to sit in your defeatism, despair, and ignorance thats on you.

[u/Kooky-Capital8782 → u/Jermas]

Remind us who your Commander in Chief is.