r/UnderReportedNews • u/ExactlySorta • 23h ago

Video Stephen Miller announces the US has taken the action of formally recognizing left wing violence as a form of political terrorism, claiming liberalism "is a direct threat to our national security and the survival of our Republican form of government"

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u/Lala5789880 22h ago

What makes you think they will honor midterms?

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u/4554013 22h ago

That's the tipping point. People still believe election will help or fix things. If we don't have free and fair elections in Nov, we either fight for our freedom or capitulate.

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u/Mekisteus 20h ago

And when that Mueller report finally comes out, everyone will have to face the fact that Trump is a criminal and his presidency will be over.

And now that Jan 6 happened, no one can deny how dangerous Trump is and MAGA is doomed.

And as soon as the Epstein files are released, or if Trump just refuses to release them, that's going to put an end to his presidency.

And if we win the midterms...

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear 18h ago

Don't forget that when Mahmoud Khalil was abducted by ICE on the Executive's order on the 8th of March 2025 against the direct order of the judiciary, and nobody - judiciary (including law enforcement), legislative, or as a final recourse, the people - nobody batted an eyelid.

That's the day USA ceased to be a nation governed by the rule of law and everything since then has just been the administration shoring up their grip on the levers of power.

They've been abducting American citizen children with cancer and sending them to actual concentration camps without legal recourse and shooting American citizens dead in the street for a year ffs. Nobody is going to do jack shit when the November elections are taken, get a grip people. Push already came to shove and the population as a whole utterly capitulated.

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u/MacRapalicious 18h ago

Surely he just can’t keep top secret documents in his bathroom? Oh what’s that? Immunity. Got it. Thanks

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u/LaLa1234imunoriginal 14h ago edited 12h ago

Yeah I was gonna say, this is what, the eighth "tipping point"? Direct action is a very important part of a functioning democracy and it's very clear not enough people in the US have interest in that.

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u/_CurseTheseMetalHnds 3h ago

It's like the 60th and people still think it matters

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u/Nintendo6ix4our 20h ago

You guys should read some history. Once fascists take over they stay there. The capitulation is already happening: masked assholes are driving around cities harassing people on the street and firing weapons with impunity. Political enemies are being bogged down in bogus prosecutions. Protestors were just sentenced to decades in prison. It's already happening and no one is batting an eye.

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u/MacRapalicious 22h ago

Spoiler. We go back to work and nothing happens

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u/GeoisGeo 22h ago

It will never be that easy, have some faith.

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u/RiotMedia 20h ago

lmao we had some faith 1.5 years ago. Since then, Americans have only had a walk, on a saturday, 3 times in 18 months. They will absolutely let themselves get trampled.

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u/Shark7996 18h ago

Since then, Americans have only had a walk, on a saturday, 3 times in 18 months.

Get some better sources. There are plenty of Americans working their asses off right now, especially at local and state levels. But I guess that doesn't count because it didn't wind up on your phone screen. Who do you think determines what the news you are reading says?

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u/RiotMedia 18h ago

Either Reddit is very good at hiding mass protests, either you're lying to yourself. If even 1% of the population was concerned, there'd be 3 million people in the streets. Are the protests in the room with us right now?

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u/Shark7996 17h ago

There's no satisfying you, is there? Protests are just a walk, but also the lack of them is proof of nothing being done? What action, exactly, are you looking for, so that we may satisfy your particular tastes, my liege?

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u/Cataphract1014 10h ago

Gunning ice or politicians in the streets is what they want us to do.

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u/RiotMedia 17h ago

Protests usually last more than just an afternoon. I'll be satisfied once the orange rapist stops threatening my country. And I'm not your liege, Trump is.

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u/Dr_Fortnite 18h ago

because 4 years is the blink of an eye for our lives. Most people think if the current president sucks we are only 4 years away from a different hopefully better one so we just try to get by. If trump claims power people wont sit by with the threat that nothing will ever change

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u/GeoisGeo 20h ago

Yes all 300 million people will allow actual tyranny into their homes. At least pretend you have some semblance of understanding of people or reality.

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u/RiotMedia 20h ago

Yes because all 300 million people are enabling their rapist pedo in cheif to actively threaten the sovernty of their neighbours and slap tarifs to countless countries by doing nothing. For every moment you are not actively against the regime, you are acting in their interests. At least pretend to have some semblence of understanding how your countrie's decesions affect the reality of the entire world.

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 16h ago

Lol what are you expecting people to do they aren't already doing? Armed insurrection? Since I haven't seen you on the news I'm assuming you haven't done it yourself yet

Right now it's protest but accept someone dangerous got elected. That's just democracy. You don't take out the guns till they take democracy away.

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u/GeoisGeo 19h ago

Im not denying the impact of any of this, im denying your negative ass view of things because you what? Hate Americans? Maybe this conversation wasn't for you then since you have no hope diva.

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u/RiotMedia 19h ago

I have a negative ass view of things because of the negative ass things the USA is doing. If it were France, I'd be pissed at the French. Nothing to do with nationality. I just hope I'm proven wrong in November, but I'm keeping my expectations in check this time.

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u/ktatsanon 18h ago

I know this is hard for Americans to hear, but the poster above is right. Tyranny has been in the White House for a year and a half now and absolutely nothing has been done to stop it. For all the "rah rah freedom, rah rah 2nd amendment to stop a tyrannical government" nonsense that gets spewed everywhere, there is zero action. It's incredibly hypocritical.

Americans are generally apathetic to what's happening because until it directly affects them, then no harm no foul. Even if the midterms are stolen, people will all bitch and moan, but they will go into work the next day, and carry on because that's how the system was set up. People will accept whatever happens because they need their next pay cheque, their next meal, their next tank of gas and rent payment. Their own "rugged individualism" and basic needs will come before the downfall of their country.

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u/GeoisGeo 18h ago

I think, while you speak facts and have some clear opinions I absolutely share, I think you are also pushing another narrative, that is just as prevalent as the rah rah America we were all sold. I am not American, im Canadian and history also says my neighbour's have gotten their shit (relatively, as with everything) together after some hopeless times.

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u/ChocoPablobar 9h ago

Tyranny has been in the White House for a year and a half now and absolutely nothing has been done to stop it. For all the "rah rah freedom, rah rah 2nd amendment to stop a tyrannical government" nonsense that gets spewed everywhere, there is zero action. It's incredibly hypocritical

So you're mad we're not committing acts of violence? Yeah no shit it's hypocritical, the ones saying the 2nd amendment shit are right wingers of course they're hypocrites. The people who oppose trump and the people talking about the 2nd amendment being used to fight tyranny are two entirely separate groups

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 16h ago

Because he was elected democratically. If they cancel elections that's the time to fight. You don't start a war because you don't like how people voted. You start one when you can't vote anymore

If we had a civil war every time someone we didn't like got elected we would be constantly killing each other. I don't really want to live in that country, would you?

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u/MinimumAutomatic0302 21h ago

That's exactly what it would be, faith in miracles and some divine inevitable justice.

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u/unbuttered_toast3939 20h ago

hopes and prayers.

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u/Key-Demand-2569 17h ago

It won’t be “easy” for that pushback to happen until things are very hard.

Large masses of people don’t revolt until there’s widespread risk of starvation level issues or extreme widespread oppression that most people have personally witnessed.

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u/sayonaradespair 16h ago

Faith took a shit and died

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u/steveaustin1971 14h ago

It's already beyond the point of no return. Even if there is a semi valid election one side won't recognize it and now the GOP has a private army they can send into the streets to quell protest.

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u/Baddog789 21h ago

I think the USA is done. The regime has achieved control and the mid terms are just a non functioning distant dream.

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u/Tharwidu 20h ago

If they had achieved the control they wanted they wouldn't be as concerned about the midterms as they are or taken so off guard by the recent success of Democratic Socialists in local elections. If midterms were no longer relevant they wouldn't still be trying to disenfranchise the peoples votes. They're arrogant enough that we'd know when they've achieved their goals because they'd 100% gloat about it and act like they don't need to do anything further. Are they going to be the be all end all to fix the situation we're in? Fuck no. But they're still concerned for a reason.

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u/InappropriatePotato4 20h ago

They are pretending they’ve achieved this to deter us from voting. People who think all is already lost don’t always show up. Theyre literally trying to fake it until they make it.

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u/b0w3n 18h ago

They're losing a lot of court cases and only get through small token pieces with shadow dockets on the supreme court.

The rule of law, while broken in a lot of ways, is still winning.

They want you depressed enough to not vote and to not think your vote matters. But it does. It always has, but unfortunately you will not always get your perfect candidate and you should fight this with the best people you can find on that ballot.

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u/Pas2739 17h ago

No, it's jist theater.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 20h ago

Agreed. We are being actively, intentionally turned into Russia. Trump has received his instructions on how Putin did it....directly from Putin.

Oligarchs were forced to swear loyalty to Putin in exchange for the opportunity for Putin to make a ton of money off their business dealings. Trump has done so very publicly and all the tech and banking oligarchs were right there in the front row during Inauguration.

After that you need to beat the people into submission and ensure that uprisings aren't possible. Flock and Palantir (as well as Google, Meta, etc) have made that a reality. No uprising is possible in the US at this point without a MASSIVE organization which itself is easily tracked and subverted by those same tech companies.

We're cooked and it's why I'm willing to uproot and move to another country.

Most countries don't come out the other side of this sort of thing in a better state.

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u/weresubwoofer 20h ago

Hungary.

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u/b0w3n 18h ago

Yeah we're not Russians.

It won't happen silently even if it feels like people are ignoring things.

They may win that battles and maybe even the war, but it won't just be "oh okay guess we're fascists now". That's defeatist horseshit. If Hungary can stop it, so can we.

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u/Googlebright 15h ago

Viktor Orban was Prime Minister of Hungary for a combined 20 years. Hopefully it doesn't take America that long to throw off the shackles of oppression.

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u/Common-Raspberry-243 20h ago

Even if you really truly believe we are cooked, running away is a punk move and I don’t say that lightly especially if you are a person of color. If it was completely over and done with they wouldn’t bother with the charade… and yet they’re still going through the motions which tells you something. either way… I feel like we inherited this country… we sing about those who died and sacrificed but we think we should get all that America has to offer without having to defend it. I think we are entitled when so many other people have fought… even on America’s behalf when even less was at stake. Today’s field is online and organizing. This is our mess. Who is going to stay back and help clean it up?

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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 18h ago

Everyone gets to determine that for themselves. There were millions who fled German-occupied (or soon to be occupied) territory in the 1930s. Were they "punks" to you? Were those that were slaughtered better for it?

I don't owe my allegiance to this country. This country since its founding was based on slavery and the subjugation of others and then we decided to do some old fashioned genocide for over a hundred years of the native peoples. This country has been fighting against conservatives for centuries. What I've realized is that I don't fit in here. This isn't my country. It doesn't represent my ideals.

I'll stay here if I can out of convenience and friends/family. But if this turns into an all out civil war I'm getting on a plane with my family very quickly. I owe my family safety and a future FAR, FAR, FAR more than I owe this country another dead body for its endless statistics of violence.

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u/Common-Raspberry-243 18h ago

I don’t mean to sound judgmental even though I know I do… this same argument has been bouncing around my head… that’s where I landed… maybe I have Black woman martyr syndrome…. But the way I feel is that my family has fought and died for this land… our blood is deep in the soil and the trees. It’s on the money… it’s in the air we breathe.. it’s all around. So, I guess I’m a part of it too.

You’re right. Everybody has to decide for themselves. I couldn’t even leave if I wanted to. It’s a part of me.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 18h ago

Genuine Question: Have you been able to travel to a good country in your life?

It's spiritual when you go to a place and realize you're ACTUALLY safe. When you see the regulations and understand that the food you're eating is ACTUALLY safe and nutritious. The way you feel is not some perfect utopia as there is bigotry everywhere in one form/quantity or another.

But man...there are places that simply are better run, healthier, happier, better mobility and offer a fundamentally better life than in the US.

Black folks have indeed fought and died for their freedom. But this country is still doing everything it can to subvert that freedom at the systemic level. Not all countries are like this. Just imagine being genuinely free from the systemic level oppression. If you stay in the US you'll have to imagine because it won't happen in the US in your lifetime or your grandchildren's lifetimes. This nation was founded on slavery and built on an ancient Native American burial ground. We're cooked.

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u/sandwichhaver 19h ago

yea you aren't voting yourself out of this my guys

hopefully a massive voter turnout against them will be proof enough of their cheating and provide the fuel

but they will cheat and they will "win" it's all about the response to that now

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u/entatlrg 20h ago

Agreed.

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u/ofWildPlaces 19h ago

That kind of defeatism is self-determining.

You're giving up before the fight. Do better.

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u/Baddog789 19h ago

I’m Canadian. Repeat, the USA is doomed.

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u/abopmix99 13h ago

You can save that for if the republicans somehow win the midterms, but as of now, I do not believe the USA is doomed.

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u/Baddog789 12h ago

The oligarchy will survive. The poor people not all of them.

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u/Common-Raspberry-243 18h ago

You’d better hope not.

I am not so delusional to think the US really is the center of the world. But, should she really truly fall… the democracies around the world are in serious trouble.

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u/Aporicrat 15h ago

What trouble would that be?

Militarily and economically I would agree. However, unlike the anti-intellectual population, I do not believe the US has superior democratic values compared to other western countries though. That's be willful ignorance at this point.

Democracy failing in the US in no way predicts the fall of democracy worldwide.

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u/PromotedPawn 19h ago

We’ll see but I think it’s going to be more difficult than anyone currently in the White House assumes. One of the few advantages to the way our federal elections are run is that the federal government has a surprisingly small amount of power over them.

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u/Away-Regular1335 21h ago

Yep as long as the people have electricity and internet no uprisings will occur the populace are in their comfort zones.

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u/Goods4188 21h ago

Who is comfortable though? I’m fighting ever day. The bigger reason a revolt won’t actually happen is because they keep most of us JUST hanging on enough that we can’t afford to throw it all away for a week off to revolt lol.

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u/Away-Regular1335 21h ago

Yeah that too no safety nets make people afraid to lose what little they have.

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u/Marajak 20h ago

Just like Russia and heading for China. Keep the people poor hand to mouth so they stay afraid. This is their plan and it is working.
I think the USA is gone. Kills me to say it. But they control everything and the oligarchs are behind them and finance them as long as they keep all regulations off of them. The Republicans are easily bought. They are a bunch of whores. It is all about self, greed, and power.
We are now so corrupt with the illusion that all is for the betterment of the country.
All lies bullshit and gaslighting. To placate people. And it works. Russia and China have proved it.

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u/Selgeron 20h ago

We go back to work, and everything is slightly worse for everyone, and a lot worse for a small group of people. This keeps happening for decades, eventually we are russia where a small group of urbanites are kept vaguely happy, everyone else is fucked, the elite have robbed the entire country of every penny of wealth, and no one can criticize the government without falling out of a window.

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u/eat_my_ass_n_balls 19h ago

This is the one that seems most realistic

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u/Shark7996 18h ago

If you don't know anybody with a plan for November that's on you. Get moving.

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u/Aporicrat 15h ago

Land of the meek.

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u/Seven19td 14h ago

Speak for your damn self

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u/NoMuddyFeet 20h ago

I guess this is why Miller is setting the stage now to round up "left wing terrorists." After they ignore the will of the people during midterms, anyone who attempts to fight back will be given the ICE treatment.

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u/Rough_Bread8329 19h ago

This exact comment was posted copiously over the last 4 or 5 election cycles. You'll pardon me if I am skeptical of the American populace's willingness to even mildly inconvenience themselves to affect any real change.

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u/Nevermind04 20h ago

How many "tipping points" have been predicted so far? I think I lost count back in 2018.

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u/gehnrahl 17h ago

This is what i've been saying to friends and family.

If the midterms are ratfucked; cancelled, delayed, not certified then we as a country will either allow it or we won't. I'm not sure which way it'll go and the very fact I even have to entertain "will we even have a transition of power" means we've failed as a republic.

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u/Heavy_D_ 20h ago

"we either fight for our freedom or capitulate."

I wonder if this is what they are preparing for, and being able to jail any democratic leaders for asking the citizens to stand up for their rights if the midterms aren't honored.

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u/Pogledaj 20h ago

This is the setup,

Repubs will lose mid terms, they will claim a fix is in, protests will erupt, and this new thing by Miller is how they will squash protest.

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u/S_Belmont 13h ago

I'm predicting some will get active, but many people will say "It's just a midterm, I'm not fighting over some congressmen I never heard of."

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u/Stoeptegelt 7h ago

I don't mean this to be pedantic, but have your elections ever been fair? Isn't it the case that it's more difficult to vote for certain minorities, and certain social classes? I'm from the Netherlands and while we definitely have our problems, getting to vote is easy no matter who you are or where you live.

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u/SparksAndSpyro 21h ago

I will not fight. After watching the sheer stupidity of my fellow Americans in the 2024 election, on both sides mind you (yes you, leftist bozos who spent the entire cycle shitting on Dems while ignoring Trump), I have concluded that this country is not worth risking life and limb for. A lot of yall really just don’t deserve the freedoms you have.

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u/RedTyro 20h ago

No, it's not. There is no tipping point, as evidenced by the million and one that have already passed by while people did not fight for their freedom.

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u/nillaf4ce 21h ago

No one is going to do anything lmao

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u/retro_80s 16h ago

100$ says we capitulate

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u/owned_at_worms 18h ago

Sounds like some left wing violent rhetoric you are spewing there...

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u/Odd-Seaworthiness826 18h ago

political terrorist right here!!!

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u/tanksalotfrank 20h ago

Democrats fucked up BAD conceding an election they knew very well was rigged. You still can't talk about it without people losing their shit with denial.

Make no mistake: Democrats enabled ALL of this. Yes, Republicans are BAD AND WORSE AND DOING WAY WORSE THINGS. Democrats are LESS BAD, yet they willfully promoted fascism to the top seat and knew they were doing it.

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u/Hortos 18h ago

You talking about 2000 or 2024?

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u/tanksalotfrank 18h ago

Wasn't 2000 more about destruction of ballots?

And I'm referring to 2024.

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u/xavariel 21h ago

They wont. Dems will sweep, because they wont be able to stop the voting process.

But Trump will announce the election is void and null because of FrAUd and everything is RigGEd.

January will be wild and probably violent. Moreso on the Rights side, as per usual.

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u/Dammy-J 20h ago

This entire speech is hinting at using law enforcement as a tool to hinder democrats voting.

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u/Kazooguru 18h ago

And this is a prelude to Trump’s speech tonight. This administration is baiting Americans to react with large scale protests. Trump will then use this as a way to cancel the elections until “order is restored”

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u/nourishablegecko 14h ago

He cannot cancel elections. Full stop. Per the constitution they are run by the state.

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u/harris1on1on1 8h ago

lol you sweet summerchild

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u/antiphonic 19h ago

yeah, this whole term has been an effort to build himself a private army thats loyal to him specifically.

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u/xavariel 16h ago

'Tis why he pardoned the J6ers. Army of pedos. It's just so fucked up

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u/Ok_Bread302 14h ago

I don’t disagree with this but the federal government has been gearing up for internal conflict for multiple election cycles. Why else would the DHS suddenly become one of the largest purchasers of domestic arms and ammo. This still occurred during the last democratic presidency.

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u/GB10VE 19h ago

ICE at the polls

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u/mark_able_jones_ 17h ago

Watch Trump declare DSA a terrorist org. Establishment Dems would cheer, too dumb to understand they’re next.

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u/xavariel 20h ago

And people voting that way (us) need to start arming ourselves. Doesn't have to be via guns, but something. This wont end peacefully. But it doesn't have to be ultra violent either.

And if enough people go out and vote, like the 80% of total population in Hungary did, they have no choice.

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u/TerryMathews 18h ago

Start?

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u/xavariel 18h ago edited 18h ago

I've been... for well over a year. I've been front lines at my city's concentration camp. Been shot at by these nazis. I've watched men of the cloth and nuns get beaten and shot in the head by these nazis. Heard of the Broadview 6? I was there with them.

I'm waiting for others to join. I'm fucking angry and ready.

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u/Sudo-Fed 19h ago

Doesn't have to be via guns, but something.

If it's not, don't bother.

Baseball bats and mace are irrelevant options.

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u/snakerjake 19h ago

it is illegal for them to do that, you call and report the federal agents to the local police as men with guns threatening people at the polling place

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u/Mindless-Bite-3539 19h ago

I’m sure the local police will do everything in their power to hinder federal actions /s

Ain’t a single cop gonna help ya, and most of the local ones will be gleefully looking for ways to participate in this. We are beyond the point of no return, everyone is just waiting for the nasty shit to kick off.

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u/snakerjake 19h ago

I’m sure the local police will do everything in their power to hinder federal actions

what federal action? by definition there can be no federal action at any polling place. because their federal law enforcement powers have been stripped at the polling places. If you get arrested by federal agents at polling places start picking out your yacht because you won the lottery.

Ain’t a single cop gonna help ya, and most of the local ones will be gleefully looking for ways to participate in this.

In red states sure, nbot in states where this matters

We are beyond the point of no return

I'm sure you wish that was the case, you clearly are trying to prevent people from voting in the midterms by spreading disinformation

The fact is there will be no federal agents at any polling place. there may be federal employees masquerading as federal agents. but that on its own is a crime. you call and report the crime, if you get arrested by them you get a civil lawyer and enjoy retirement.

Miller is making these statements because they're afraid. they know they can't actually station troops but desperately need this election to go their way because they know they'll be hanging if they dont

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u/Mindless-Bite-3539 19h ago

I want people to vote, want voting to matter, i just wish I had the faith you have in things.

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u/snakerjake 19h ago

then discouraging people from reporting men with guns at the election site is probably the wrong path to take

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u/Mindless-Bite-3539 18h ago

Where did I say I was discouraging people from reporting? I just said I have no faith in law enforcement at any level.

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u/xavariel 19h ago

Yep, report and bring your own arms (whatever that may be for you). No guns INSIDE the polling places though (illegal at least in my state and scary for voters), but outside...

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u/snakerjake 18h ago

Yep, report and bring your own arms

I would not bring my own arms, being arrested by them at the polling station is best case scenario for you. they are forbidden by federal law from acting as law enforcement so it would be a very profitable lawsuit. why defend yourself with a weapon against that

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u/bobqjones 19h ago

look up the Battle of Athens. give you an idea what can happen of some Boss Hogg type of local ass tries to mess with elections.

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u/concepts_of_a_plan9 20h ago

Everyone needs to vote no matter what. No matter what bomb threats they say, no matter how many ICE agents they push to shut down polling stations, etc.

However... they're not going to simply let themselves be democratically voted out. You realize that right? We're all going to have to make some very tough decisions collectively between November and January.

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u/early_birdy 14h ago

Didn't Trump allot the biggest budget ever to Ice? More than the official army itself? Like he's built his own personal army just for such an occasion.

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u/MeAmGrok 8h ago

The Executive has no say in these elections, because as far as the Federal government is concerned, the midterms are only about the Legislative branch (and there are also a bunch of State, County, and City elections, as well). There is no established means by which Trump & Co. can nullify anything. And since the entirety of the House and 1/3 of the Senate is up for re-election, Congress as an entity can’t do anything to prevent seating the newly-elected folks, either. As of January 3rd, the newly elected folks take office. Also, as of January 3rd, Johnson is no longer Speaker, so can’t do anything to stop this; he would have to be re-elected by the House again to have any power, and that can only happen after everyone has already been seated.

Now, that doesn’t mean Trump and his cronies won’t try to pull some bullshit out of their collective asses to try to meddle with the results. But the States can all rightly tell him and his administration to shut the fuck up and deal. Not that I have faith that they will, but they can absolutely stand up to him and win.

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u/RagahRagah 22h ago

People need to get real. Very close to 0% chance we get the outcome so many people are convincing themsleves we are gonna get.

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u/Option94 22h ago

You're getting down voted but the reason Trump won't give up on 2020 is he know they cheated but not enough to beat the excessive mail in ballots caused by COVID. He practically admitted that Elon was able to do it. They're just gonna keep rigging them.

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u/RagahRagah 22h ago

People downvoting me are fucking delusional.

Trump nearly succeeded in overthrowing our government in 2020 and faced 0 consequences. Back then there were still a lot of people with him that respected democracy and law.

Now he has nothing but psychos and loyalists at his side, a fucking army of mentally disturbed and/or violent untrained thugs with guns who are killing innocent people in the streets (also no consequences there) and has done endless illegal things that have also seen him face 0 consequences.

Then there's Project 2025.

He has done everything and gotten away with all of it. They didn't come this far to just let things happen fairly and hand over the keys. They are relentless and have gotten everything they have wanted. What in the hell has people so convinced we can just vote our way out of this? Please do vote, but be prepared for the reality of the sitauation to hit afterwards.

There is no logical thought process that tells a person who truly understands the gravity of what this regime has done that we are just gonna go vote and this regime is just going to allow the house and sentate to flip. It's not going to happen. People need to stop deluding themselves and be prepared for horrors this November.

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u/Fit-Nectarine5047 21h ago

You are correct 1000% and I’m still not sure how people don’t recognize this. Maybe it’s too upsetting idk.

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u/Expert-Mental25 20h ago

So what's the answer guys? Why are you leaving that part out? Are you afraid of how cowardly it makes one sound to explicitly say they've lost already and will only submit? Is that the option? Submit? Cuz I'll just go grab a rope right now if that's our future. I'd much rather grab something else, be joined by like minded people, and do something even if death and failure is assured. Cuz if it is, why would I not try and take at least one out with me instead of just grabbing that rope? The end is my death regardless right?

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u/birbtown 20h ago

Exactly. History has shown that we’ve had to fight for every right we have. It’s privileged and cowardly to just throw your hands up and become nihilistic, instead of letting it build a fire within you to fight even harder.

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u/RagahRagah 3h ago

This is hilarious.

You don't even have a clue that this is exactly what I"m saying. We are gonna have to do more than vote. Probably literally fight. What does "throwing your hands up" mean to you? I'm saying literally the same thing you are as you appear to be disagreeing with me. LOL.

People regurgitating things without thinking is unfortunately not solely a MAGA trait.

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u/Fit-Nectarine5047 17h ago

Nobody’s saying not to fight or to just roll over die, they originally just said that these elections aren’t going to mean anything because they’re rigged.
And to be realistic about what that implies the populace will need to do

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u/RagahRagah 3h ago

I'm literally saying the same thing he is while he disagrees with me. LOL.

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u/RagahRagah 20h ago

I didn't say I had the answer. I simply stated the reality of what we are facing. Refusal to accept reality means you'll always be unprepared.

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u/Expert-Mental25 20h ago edited 14h ago

It's admittedly hard to tell sometimes online.

Idk if I'm talking to people who are just nihilistic or who think violent revolt is necessary. I believe the latter, but I don't believe it can be done half-assed or too early. Not early in the sense of when the enemies of the people have been meeting their goals, but early in the sense of the state of organization and readiness.

I also believe electoralism can still be useful. No, not to save us. But actually to radicalize more even further. If we "know" the outcome why would we not try to utilize that outcome to our favor? If we just sneer at the electoralism, then when the outcome that we predict (and may have even helped by checking out) happens, people will either hate us cuz they'll blame us, or they'll be checked out further.

If we bust ass in electoralism (ACTIVELY RADICALIZING THOSE AROUND US AND SPREADING CLASS CONSCIOUSNESS ALONG THE WAY), and then the outcome we predicted does actually come true, well now those people don't hate us cuz we were busting ass along side them. And they may even be easier for those of us with clarity to further pull into more radical positions.

Edit: To whoever replied saying not to "organize this online" and asking if I'm a fed, am I making any explicit/detailed comments or plans here online? No. No, I am not.

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u/weresubwoofer 20h ago

If we collectively can’t get it together to vote, then we definitely can’t get it together to revolt. Let’s just get it together to vote.

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u/Expert-Mental25 20h ago

I mean I don't see why both can't be front and center of mind? I can phone bank, then train with like minded folk in firearm proficiency and safety. I can knock door to door one day, then the next day attend my first aid/CPR classes.

We need to be all in on all avenues.

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u/ofWildPlaces 19h ago

You're being defeatist.

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u/RagahRagah 19h ago

No, I'm being realist.

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u/ofWildPlaces 19h ago

No, you're just enabling the administration and the likes of Miller by throwing up your hands and quitting. You're trying to convince people there is no hope and they should capitulate. You're an enabler.

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u/druwi 20h ago

There are a handful of solutions but all of them are extremely difficult. I believe in taking gradual steps towards change and step 1 is to accept reality. This is not a democracy. We are not in control. In my humble opinion as a believer in entropy, there's no fixing this. Things have to die, (deconstruct) so something new can rise (construct).

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u/Expert-Mental25 20h ago

I don't really feel like rewriting it all but my other comment gave some ideas that I think we could do to utilize what's left of electoralism.

Not to use it as intended but as a tool to radicalize more.

If we just sneer and quit, most won't be motivated to join us or even believe us that more severe solutions are needed. But if we're there in force and we show up day in day out and are involved, but then our predicted outcome happens anyway and they overturn results, it becomes much easier to convince many normies that escalation is here unequivocally.

I ended up writing most of it anyway lol.

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u/druwi 19h ago

Not gonna lie mayor Mamdani, gave me hope in elections. Someone that is an actual representative. But these people are rare and are the exception to civil servitude.

I've been hearing 'show up and vote' since I've been politically aware and its been over 30 years now. I've gone through phases from optimistic belief to quitting and checking out.

Its complex but to over simplify it. Its either (a) This is a democracy and this how it is whether we like it or not. (b) This is not a democracy and this is how it is whether we like it or not.

Like the comment that started this thread. Its not quitting or giving up. Its objectively looking at reality. I'll even add, its trying something different, something radical instead of doing thesame thing over and over like protesting and believing we can vote a solution into existence.

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u/TinyCarrotHats 20h ago

Man, I'm trans and I still have friends who, when told the latest anti-trans laws that passed, respond with a genuine gasp and "that's got to be illegal. That's illegal! It'll get challenged in court."

You know and I know that it doesn't matter if it's illegal, it doesn't matter if it's unconstitutional, and it probably will get challenged in court and they'll find some way to say it's all totally reasonable. But the rest of the country has their heads in the sand and I guarantee you it'll take them personally getting targeted or seriously harmed in some way to get them to realize how bad it is.

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u/Expert-Mental25 20h ago

The point is that it's easier to convince normies. If there's so little turnout that they can just spin any story, they will make many check out due to ambiguity or they'll take the wrong conclusions.

But if turnout is so obvious and so unquestionable, and it's clear that the energy is not in their favor, and then they ignore/overturn the results, that is far more easier to convince normies that the institutions aren't a viable option anymore. Many still believe that. They won't believe otherwise unless it is beyond doubt. Obviously many still will be in denial, that's not going to be avoided. We're talking hundreds of millions of people and people are messy in the best of times. Americans are not coming with a full deck. Either physically, mentally, educationally, etc. So yeah people will still be frozen. But the point should be to try and maximize the number of people who snap out of it and the more severe the contradictions forced in front of their eyes, the more likely for people to be shaken from their stupor.

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u/Kazooguru 17h ago

The regime has had an additional 5+ years to prepare for a formal coup. There’s zero chance any of these criminals are just going to walk away. These fascists have sycophants running every single government agency that would put the brakes on a coup.

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u/RagahRagah 2h ago

Some people don't even realize they used Biden's entire term to buffer this and test what they could get away with. And they got away with a lot.

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u/ecstaticthicket 9h ago

You are a breath of fresh air. I feel like I’m going crazy sometimes

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u/PeaceSoft 21h ago

I think it's stupid to convince yourself that possibilities are certainties

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u/Mother_Patience_6251 20h ago

Most live in delusion day to day. This is no different. You’re totally correct and those of us like you, who see things clearly really are a minority.

This extremely coordinated effort by these psychopaths has been working. Partly because people are in denial and can’t discern actual danger. The mid terms are going nowhere. This admin is going nowhere without force and I don’t think enough Americans are willing to lay anything on the line.

I’d really prefer not to live in a country that revels in ignorance and dysfunction. Apparently 2/3 of the population either want brown people dead and gone or don’t care if brown people, women, children and the disabled are treated poorly.

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u/TinyCarrotHats 20h ago

I knew there was a lot of hate in this country. I know my history, and I listen to POC when they talk about how they're treated. I'm trans and I see a lot of hate myself in that way.

But I always believed there was only a minority that truly hated in a way that wanted people dead. Sure, ignorance is more prevalent, but the fuckers who shrug their shoulders (or even cheer) at children in detention centers and children in the back seats of cars when their father is shot, I thought those people were a loud and beligerent minority. And I have been shocked to discover that there seems to be more of them, and they're unabashedly hateful.

Ignorance gave me hope because people can learn their way out of it. They can change. Unabashed hatred, I don't know what to do with that in this quantity.

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u/Mother_Patience_6251 20h ago

I’m sorry that you’ve had to feel that. It’s quite a mixture of emotions when you start to realize that people really do hate you for no reason and are more than willing to see you suffer. For a long time as a kid I thought that racism would disappear if we could all become friends. Even as an adult I’ve tried to treat racist interactions as teachable moments when possible. Sadly it doesn’t work that way.

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u/TinyCarrotHats 20h ago

Thank you <3 it's the true hatred and willingness or desire to see me suffer that I have a really hard time with. I was also idealistic as a kid/college student and believed in the power of conversation, education, teaching people out of ignorance, because I genuinely thought most issues stemmed from fear of the unknown.

It's been really painful learning I was wrong.

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u/KiijaIsis 21h ago

Alright you nihilistic mfs,

Stop jumping to the future battles when we haven’t lost or Won the current ones.

If you are that depressed get meds ffs

It’s fine and dandy to warn of the dangers of too much hope, but don’t keep downward spiraling and dragging us with you into all out despair.

That’s not how we win anything

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u/RagahRagah 20h ago

You certainly can't prepare yourself properly for reality when you are refusing to accept it.

I'm trying to help.

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u/KiijaIsis 20h ago

“I TrYing ToHelP!” Hur dur dur by telling people how useless voting is and the midterm won’t do anything and that we’re all DOOMED! Calm down Chicken Little, you’re not helping

“if you can’t face reality..”

-_____- tilt that fedora a bit more why dontcha, so neckbeard cringey…

Sweet summer child,
I was a working adult when Idiocracy came out and it was such a horror movie to me seeing how things were moving in that direction that it put me into a 20 year cycle of suicide watch, in a family with many successful suicides.

I have been a Town Cryer on this for longer than you’ve been alive, probably.

True reality is if you keep impressing All the Negative Bullshit with NO SOLUTIONS people will give up and that’s a big reason the GOP have gotten as far as they have through fear and despair and calls of Armageddon.

If you want to see a fight, then go, but we’re trying to get away from combat as a resolution tactic and

We don’t need anymore whiny, do-nothing but point out all the WRONGS, internet trolls making everyone even more depressed.

So stfu unless you have something Constructive to bring to the table
Kthxbye

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u/RagahRagah 19h ago

Yes, telling people reality so they can prepare is helping.

Trolling? So me explaining reality is "trolling" but you posting paragraph after paragraph with snippy, childish insults isn't?

We have a total lack of understanding of nuance, total lack of self-awareness and endless childish insults even 4th graders should have outgrown. You're just the other side of the MAGA coin.

Grow up.

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u/SmellGestapo 17h ago

You're failing.

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u/RagahRagah 16h ago

That's on them for not listening. Nothing I can do.

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u/SmellGestapo 16h ago

No, you're failing because what you're saying isn't helpful to begin with. You're engaging in voter suppression.

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u/RagahRagah 16h ago

Again... yes, it is. Preparing people for reality is extremely helpful.

Voter suppression? I don't think you understand what that means. I flat out told people to vote, force their hand. But definitely expect their hand.

Too many people just don't listen and hear what they want because someone else tells them how to think. It's not exclusively a MAGA trait.

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u/druwi 20h ago edited 20h ago

This country have been all about No Accountability.

Even if by some miracle the wishful thinking about the midterms happens. I'll bet my first born son, there still will be No Accountability.

These people haven't faced any consequences for their actions for decades ( i would even say since post civil war).

Hence everyone else but them deals with the consequences of their actions.

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u/the_last_0ne 20h ago

Fine but voting is still incredibly important this year.

All that happens when you talk like this is you convince some people that voting wont change anything, so they dont vote. Of course they aren't going to just hand power over but winning the elections gives rational people the best leg to stand on in the courts.

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u/Dum-bNNy 18h ago

The gravity is great and it may be a delusional hope for people to think voting them out is where it ends. I would like to remind you though that voting will not cause harm and telling people it won't matter will convince people to not even try. If an honest to God revolution is needed voting in the midterms does not prevent someone from also doing that if voting doesn't work.

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u/RagahRagah 2h ago

I flat out said vote. Force their hand. Just be prepared because the hand will most likely come down.

If anything, if these cretins ultimately ignore the will of the people, maybe thet finally pushes things to a fever pitch, IDK.

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u/JarOfNightmares 9h ago

RemindMe! 5 months

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u/Springheeljac 15h ago

Shut. Up. Stop trying to convince people not to vote. Go fucking vote and if they steal the damn election then there are other actions to take. If they weren't scared shitless of the midterms they wouldn't need to any of this.

Holy fucking shit you people infuriate me. People get convinced not to vote and then throw their hands in the air and yell the system is broken. I'm not saying it's not but they don't have the ability to cheat themselves out of a landslide victory or they would just be doing business as usually and not even thinking about the goddamn midterms. You're in here calling people stupid but your scenario makes no fucking sense.

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u/RagahRagah 2h ago

"Stop trying to convince people not to vote, even though you flat out told them to."

Once again, people not reading or listening and missing the point is unfortunately not exclusively a MAGA trait.

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u/GibFulton 20h ago

It's been proven multiple times that drumpf has fabricated this entire scheme.

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u/Option94 18h ago

Elon saying "nuh uh" doesn't exactly count.

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u/alwayzstoned 20h ago

It’s going to get ugly for sure, but please vote anyways.

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u/Common-Raspberry-243 20h ago

Doesn’t matter if they want to honor them or not… sure they’ve stacked a lot in their favor… but at that point they would officially be terrorists holding the US government hostage. Right now… what keeps them in power is the official office and all of our might behind them.

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u/weresubwoofer 20h ago

That will just achieve an excuse for a massive crackdown. There are always more useful idiots to step up and fill a space.

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u/sleep-exe 20h ago

I have some PTO saved to go DC in case they don't. Something to consider.

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u/Consistent_Sector_19 20h ago

Across the world, there were dozens of attempts to skip or overturn elections in the 20th century. The only cases where a government's first attempt to skip elections succeeded were cases where they would have won the election. You get into real problems when a would-be dictator is popular enough to skip or ignore elections that they would win, which sets them up to stop having them or ignore the ones they would lose. The Republicans will keep their solidly red seats, but overall, they aren't going to win the midterms.

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u/Wembanyanma 20h ago

That's what this ghoul is up here planning for.

They will interfere with elections. There will be protests. Then they can start arresting protestors for "terrorism"

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u/snakerjake 20h ago

That would be best case scenario. it would certainly trigger violence in response to the protests but it would ultimately give very good cause to try every single person involved in the current administration for treason and i have no doubt that refusing to honor the midterms wouldn't trigger enough of a backlash to cause revolution ultimately

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u/AlRabady 19h ago

Needs to be too big to rig

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u/No-Abalone-4784 18h ago

Don't care if they honor it. We must make them.

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u/RoughPalpitation7381 18h ago

The amount of money being spent by the oligarchs in elections is what makes me think that. IF they had the fix in already, they wouldn't be spending this amount of money on elections.

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u/AlmstH-DubV 16h ago

I am a lifelong Republican, and I agree with you. Our entire democracy has been torn apart both by the right and the left. There is no good future outcome. But my greatest fear is that If midterm results (and later the presidential election) don't favor Republicans, they will quickly reach the point where they will not capitulate control. They've been taking serious steps to convince the country that all elections are rigged. And so when Republicans aren't elected, then the election is rigged.

I believe 100% that we will reach a point where Republican leaders refuse to step down. This administration has already dismantled leadership and put in place crony loyalists in the FBI, ODNI, the pentagon and the military around the world, ICE, and the National guard.